Amd Volcanic Islands details

[DefStar]

http://www.legitreviews.com/amd-rade...e-order_125224

Interesting

I'm going to try and be one of those 8K people...hopefully PowerColor is one of the partners. If you guys got any info on where I would go to pre-order I would appreciate it.

Well...if non-BF4 edition R9 290x cards are out before the BF4-edition card is out...then never-mind. Wow, I just want a PowerColor R9 290x come on already!

[aussie-revhead]

Since I own a 780 Lightning I'm going to wait and see how it all comes out. If r290 is a beast then I might wait for the Lightning version of this too.

Fun times ahead boys

[Olivon]

http://www.donanimhaber.com/ekran-ka...knolojiler.htm

[BababooeyHTJ]

I'll be damned they really are going without a crossfire bridge. Why?

Why not just redesign the crossfire bridge. Its not like sli where the bridged is packaged with the motherboard.

One of the things that I really loved about crossfire was that tri-fire works natively with Ivybridge and Haswell on motherboards like the Gigabyte UD5H. I can't imagine that this won't require more bandwith from the pci-e slots and possibly bottleneck a pci-e 2.0 x8 or pci-e 3.0 x4 slot.

[fellix_bg]

Well, not that PCI-E 3.0 is any bottleneck really. Why not put the excess bandwidth in good use and at the same time shave off few cents from the board's BOM by omitting the CF link.

[BababooeyHTJ]

A lot of people use motherboards with pci-e 2.0. I can't imagine that this wouldn't bottleneck people running those boards especially since most default to x8.

Like I said about tri-fire it'll probably also cause issues at pci-e 3.0 x4 like the Gigabyte UD5H (works great for 7970 trifire) and MSI Mpower. I don't see how this has any pros for the consumer.

[zalbard]

A lot of people use motherboards with pci-e 2.0. I can't imagine that this wouldn't bottleneck people running those boards especially since most default to x8.

Like I said about tri-fire it'll probably also cause issues at pci-e 3.0 x4 like the Gigabyte UD5H (works great for 7970 trifire) and MSI Mpower. I don't see how this has any pros for the consumer.

I agree. I think they rushed their decision a bit too much.

It's probably fine on 2011, but on 1155 some people's performance may suffer...

I guess there are two reasons to go with this: cutting costs, and they couldn't figure out how to solve all frame-pacing problems with the double-connection scheme.

[flopper]

It's probably fine on 2011, but on 1155 some people's performance may suffer...

Not likely.
the image says pci-e not either 2.0 or 3.0.
so unless anything says different 2.0 wont have any performance hit with crossfire.
most amd boards are 2.0

[PedantOne]

most interesting is this:

[Iconyu]

A lot of people use motherboards with pci-e 2.0. I can't imagine that this wouldn't bottleneck people running those boards especially since most default to x8.

Like I said about tri-fire it'll probably also cause issues at pci-e 3.0 x4 like the Gigabyte UD5H (works great for 7970 trifire) and MSI Mpower. I don't see how this has any pros for the consumer.

AMD doesn't even have a PCIe 3.0 chipset for their CPU's, if they say there isn't a performance hit then I don't think they were relying on PCIe3 to make up for the lack of the bridge.

[BababooeyHTJ]

Not likely.
the image says pci-e not either 2.0 or 3.0.
so unless anything says different 2.0 wont have any performance hit with crossfire.
most amd boards are 2.0

I find that very hard to believe when current cards are already starting to bottleneck pci-e 2.0 x8.

[tbone8ty]

Well that puts a damper on crossfiring these new cards on my am3+ mobo lol

[Greg83]

direct access between gpu display pipelines over pci express.

explains it all.

plus wasn't it already talked about that the crossfire bridge only has the bandwhich of a pci-e 1x slot, with lower latencies. didn't have much use in recent crossfire as it was evolving and became redundant.


surely the optimized it and now left the old method behind completely.

this new slide shows , alternate frame rendering isn't the method used anymore.
might even mean , the texture ram issues of crossfire are gone to.

[Mk]

How good is mantel vs DirectX 11 in terms of picture quality and dos it have tessellation for example? or is this going to be basically OpenGL but faster?

[BHD]

Hi All Friends.

Sorry, Please Explain To Me DMA Engine In RADEON R9 290 X OR PCI - EXP .

Thank You.

[Sparky]

Yeah but you said 100% and you only supposedly will get 82% . For full 100% perf. increase you wil essentially need 3 generations which in turn means 4+ years.

I went X1950XT > 4870 512MB > 7950 so 4 years wait isn't too far off for me

[Iconyu]

How good is mantel vs DirectX 11 in terms of picture quality and dos it have tessellation for example? or is this going to be basically OpenGL but faster?

It should look the same, there could be hardware features not exposed by DX11, but I don't think most of these features make a direct visual impact. It won't look worse unless something goes very wrong.

[AMDDeathstar]

LOL
What old is new.
ATI's X1600 and X1900xxx could CrossFire over PCI Ex. without the cable, that was before the they had bridges.

http://www.donanimhaber.com/ekran-ka...knolojiler.htm

[GoldenTiger]

I went X1950XT > 4870 512MB > 7950 so 4 years wait isn't too far off for me

Hehe , that's awesome and must be a really enjoyable experience to upgrade each time. I'm planning on trying to hold out with a 670 w/ 680pcb/hsf 4GB SLI setup (got a great deal but may or may not end up being eligible for warranty which would mean I'd return them if not and won't know until they arrive soon) for a Maxwell refresh or Volta intro, upgrading from my single 780. I figure it wouldn't be too hard since those two cards should outpace my 780's oc'd speed by around 40-45%, and a new chip isn't likely to be much faster than that over GK110 anyway for the initial Maxwell 20nm chips. Combine that with trucking on a 2600K oc'd still from when they first launched (literally day 1) and I may have to turn in my badge !

[[XC] Oj101]

LOL
What old is new.
ATI's X1600 and X1900xxx could CrossFire over PCI Ex. without the cable, that was before the they had bridges.

Nope, I ran Crossfire back then and clearly remember having to have a master and slave card (they weren't the same) with an external pass-through cable connecting them outside of the PC.

[LordEC911]

For everyone wondering about CF through PCI-e think about HSA.

[Lanek]

Nope, I ran Crossfire back then and clearly remember having to have a master and slave card (they weren't the same) with an external pass-through cable connecting them outside of the PC.

You are right.. You had the conector wired on the DVI of the master card ( one cable was go to the slave, and the second to the monitor ). ( i have got CFX with X1800PE 512 ( huum not sure for this one, i remember have buy the X1900 only 2 months then > X1900-1950XTX > 2900XT > 4870 > 5870 > 7970 ( and SLI too at same time from the 6600GT SLI ) ( I have even still nearly all gpu here. )

The way they do CFX look to have been rewrite there. but i will not even be surprised you will see somthing similar from Nvidia about SLI in the next generation..

[zalbard]

For everyone wondering about CF through PCI-e think about HSA.

Pretty sure PCI-E is already used for these purposes (for a while). The secondary physical link is just reducing the load.

[Final8ty]

http://videocardz.com/46186/amd-rade...d-october-15th

[BababooeyHTJ]

Pretty sure PCI-E is already used for these purposes (for a while). The secondary physical link is just reducing the load.

I don't understand why they didn't just update the crossfire bridge. I don't see what the big deal is, it comes with the card.