Ivy Bridge i5 3570K/i7 3770K batch and o/c results

[docwhom]

I used the "gentlemens touch", which is the razor method with a slight twist. I don't pry the IHS off I just stick with the thin razor and cut around, it only takes a few mins longer and minimises the possibility of damage.

I like that. The special Ket-Touch. As he wields that cut-throat razor about, threatening every IHS out there that tries to refuse any attempt to be prized away from it's position.

[Ket]

I've never been comfortable with prying the IHS off once one side has been cut through like a lot of people seem to do.. CPUs are very delicate things now and need to be treated with a little more care. Using the "gentlemens touch" I'm now 4-0 Not a single fatality so far, I've delidded 2 AMD CPUs and 2 intel CPUs, AMD CPUs are definitely trickier to do, one slip on the CPUs I done and I could of shaved off a SMD.

[docwhom]

Using the "gentlemens touch" I'm now 4-0 Not a single fatality so far, I've delidded 2 AMD CPUs and 2 intel CPUs, AMD CPUs are definitely trickier to do, one slip on the CPUs I done and I could of shaved off a SMD.

Could you please let me know with the AMD cpu, what model did you "delid" because I'm curious if it's the current FX model and what type of cpu heatsink paste is used?

I know what Intel uses but there's been next to no info on what AMD uses. Just so scrupulous in knowing the facts relating to this.

[Ket]

I haven't delidded any of the BD or PD CPUs, last AMD CPU I delidded was a Phenom 2 chip I think, hadn't even had the CPU long and the paste had completely given up the ghost even idle the CPU would hit 100c+. After a delidding everything was back to normal though. If it helps any AMD CPU I delidded looked to use the same TIM intel CPUs do, a light grey coloured compound.

[sepol]

I used the "gentlemens touch", which is the razor method with a slight twist. I don't pry the IHS off I just stick with the thin razor and cut around, it only takes a few mins longer and minimises the possibility of damage. For sake of experiments I decided to increase vcore to 1.2v on my delidded 3570k and shoot for 4.7GHz again, all seems to be well right now, but temps are about 10c higher.

4.5GHz > 1.12v > max core temp 67c with the CPU fully loaded running BOINC
4.7GHz > 1.22v > max core temp about 78c with the CPU fully loaded running BOINC

The question for me (and this will apply to you as well) is do you run the extra voltage for +200MHz? The only real reason for doing so would be for epeen as real world applications you aren't going to see the benefit of that +200MHz. If you are really hellbent on max speed then as I will likely do investing in the services of a NZXT Kraken X40 would be a wise move, although for a cooler it is pretty expensive really.

I'm sad, unfortunately killed my 3770K. In the process of delid, the blade touched only slightly on the pcb and it was enough. The splinter was so small that I didn't saw it immediately.But with the following behavior soon I saw that something was wrong. He died an hour later. I will buy black thermal selicone and try warranty. At least I'll try.

[banwell]

Got a Costa Rica 3244D195 3770k at the weekend and its a pig.

Needs 1.325vcore just to get 4.4Mhz stable. I was pushing for x45 but gave up at 1.425. Atleast the temperatures werent too crazy. I have high ambient here of 29-30deg c and I can still run IBT at 1.325vcore for high 80s/low 90s (Noctua D14). I feel the chip would be quite happy at any vcore under 1.5.

I marvel at these sub 1.2vcore 3770k s hitting 4.6mhz...

Coincidently I ended up at a vcore similar to what I was running on my 4.6mhz 2500k, but Ivy is using approx a third of the power (80s W vs 120W).

[docwhom]

I'm sad, unfortunately killed my 3770K. In the process of delid, the blade touched only slightly on the pcb and it was enough. The splinter was so small that I didn't saw it immediately.But with the following behavior soon I saw that something was wrong. He died an hour later. I will buy black thermal selicone and try warranty. At least I'll try.

Sorry it happened to you. I still haven't gone that way of using a Razor blade to delid (because I'm rather useless at trying to do it, plus I hate sharp things). I will try the hammer tap soon. Just that it's hard to delid something that had cost me $379.00AUD a few months back.

Just worried in damaging it and then going through with an attempted Warranty swap. I sure hope yours goes through because I get the feeling I'll be joining you in line with an RMA.

[Ket]

Using a razor blade really isn't hard, you just need to take your time and make sure when cutting the blade remains flat.

[websmile]

This is disgusting - you kill hardware by physical damaging it and then try to make all other Intel customers pay for your lack of skill by making fraud rma - no comment on your spirit, honesty and responsibilty further needed, this speaks for itself. If you can?t afford fail, don?t try

[Alex-Ro]

Don;t worry about intel man,they have plenty of cash floating around.In the end,what is the difference between killing a cpu with volts and physical damage?None,they both don't work

[websmile]

Ever thought about the reason why K cpu is more expensive and offers, apart from unlocked multi for OC, less features, Alex? The loss at OC is already part of the price there, but that people kill cpus with lack of skill at physical abuse is not covered, and such things happened a lot at mem manufacturers as well. Result is that rma guidelines are tougher for normal client today as an example - I agree that Intel has enough cash, even too much - but in the end all pay for such stuff like rmas which produce costs at shops, distributors and so on, I think Intel is by far not biggest part of this - result is, to keep margin, rising prices as well btw, this is simple economy

[Alex-Ro]

Hmm,yea man you are right in some points.But think about this,how many people that use a pc are enthusiasts?How many enthusiasts delide cpu's?IF you think in perspective,these damages are just 0.001% of intel losses....

[websmile]

You are right, this is small part - and I am not the sheriff for Intel, who kill oc with k cpus by locking cheap stuff for kids - still I think this shows big lack of responsibility and honesty, and I wonder if people doing that are aware of legal consequences if Intel wants to set an example, or the shop, after uncovering the fraud. And on mems, this was also only small part, result is in fact as mentioned above, less generous rma policy. Enough of that, my 0,02$ are done

[Alex-Ro]

Yea man,but who has time to uncover a fraud like this and what for?It should imply to delide cpu again,take close look,then track down the shop,than the individual,etc etc....

[sepol]

This is disgusting - you kill hardware by physical damaging it and then try to make all other Intel customers pay for your lack of skill by making fraud rma - no comment on your spirit, honesty and responsibilty further needed, this speaks for itself. If you can?t afford fail, don?t try

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[Ket]

Ever thought about the reason why K cpu is more expensive and offers, apart from unlocked multi for OC, less features, Alex? The loss at OC is already part of the price there, but that people kill cpus with lack of skill at physical abuse is not covered, and such things happened a lot at mem manufacturers as well. Result is that rma guidelines are tougher for normal client today as an example - I agree that Intel has enough cash, even too much - but in the end all pay for such stuff like rmas which produce costs at shops, distributors and so on, I think Intel is by far not biggest part of this - result is, to keep margin, rising prices as well btw, this is simple economy

While I don't disagree with any of this if a manufacturer offers a enthusiast range they should allow such things as being able to remove a cooler to use better TIM or cover the product if its killed with volts, after all we pay a premium so a manufacturer offering such things like I've mentioned isn't really asking a lot. If somebody kills something though being ham fisted though.. well that really is their fault.

[websmile]

I don?t criticize the fact that IHS is removed, and agree on this being covered by a warranty plan like protection plan that might come would be ok, this would be an appropriate solution. But as long as physical damage is not covered nor tolerated by Intel warranty, reapplying ihs and covering up the damage done, with silicon, and afterwards sending to rma is a simple act of fraud - shoplifting via rma

[ralle_h]

I agree, if you fail deliding your CPU, be man enough to live with the consequences.

For the sake of nostalgia, my best 3570k:



Delided and cooled by Phanteks PH-TC14PE (Air). Best of about 60 CPUs.

[sepol]

I don?t criticize the fact that IHS is removed, and agree on this being covered by a warranty plan like protection plan that might come would be ok, this would be an appropriate solution. But as long as physical damage is not covered nor tolerated by Intel warranty, reapplying ihs and covering up the damage done, with silicon, and afterwards sending to rma is a simple act of fraud - shoplifting via rma

Could you please stop calling me names ? You already call me dishonest, now you're calling me a thief... you must be in rage with something don't you ? I know I should have been quiet, but that don't give you the right to judge me.

[websmile]

I don?t judge you, I do not know you, so how could I? I simply name the act of rma-ing a disguised cpu with physical damage what it is - simply not correct and even against the law, not only against warranty terms

[docwhom]

If it helps any AMD CPU I delidded looked to use the same TIM intel CPUs do, a light grey coloured compound.

Damn, here I was thinking that AMD took the high road when it came to NOT using plain CHEAP horrible paste as their heat transfer mechanism. I now give up, why do they all stick together when offering terrible solutions for attaching IHS's to their cpu's?

Thank you Ket for opening my ignorant eyes towards this now "normal" situation amongst all CPU manufacturers. Now let me go drown in some tequila .......for tonight.

[hersounds]

Be man and take a nice keyring

[sepol]

Be man and take a nice keyring

I do not know if I will laugh or I will cry.

[hersounds]

Just laugh!, life is more than one simple Ivyb1tch bro!

[Ket]

Damn, here I was thinking that AMD took the high road when it came to NOT using plain CHEAP horrible paste as their heat transfer mechanism. I now give up, why do they all stick together when offering terrible solutions for attaching IHS's to their cpu's?

Thank you Ket for opening my ignorant eyes towards this now "normal" situation amongst all CPU manufacturers. Now let me go drown in some tequila .......for tonight.

I'm afraid a single bottle might not be enough once you read what I type next.. delidded a couple A64 CPUs and these ones had some sort of yellowish waxy-like TIM under the hood... CPU makers should just do the right thing and not fix the IHS to the CPU, let the user pick their TIM of choice to use.