Kepler Nvidia GeForce GTX 780

[GoldenTiger]

Theres always two sides in each story. I see people complaining and making fun of cards having a lot of memory and others to complain cards not having enough. Forums are for discussion, but most of the posts are Nvidia users claiming about how 1 and/or 2Gigs is enough and AMD users about how it isnt.
Each of its own and lets stop it here OK?
I already posted few pictures and links how AMD card benefits from additonal memory if you have high resolutions and details -and also how GTX 680 could benefit from 4Gigs as well on same situations. It should be clear as a whistle now for everyone. So i dont see the point of continuing storming eachother.

Except benches show that 2gig is plenty for even 5760x1080 surround on the few sites that have done those, and definitely fine for 2560x1600/below (i.e. any single-monitor setup). The only clear thing for those looking at the facts is that 2gb is perfect for the GTX 680 GPU barring the exceptional circumstance that one has three 30" panels for 7680x1600, which I have only ever seen a handful of people even claim to have let alone post pictures of.

[Jamesrt2004]

Except benches show that 2gig is plenty for even 5760x1080 surround on the few sites that have done those, and definitely fine for 2560x1600/below (i.e. any single-monitor setup). The only clear thing for those looking at the facts is that 2gb is perfect for the GTX 680 GPU barring the exceptional circumstance that one has three 30" panels for 7680x1600, which I have only ever seen a handful of people even claim to have let alone post pictures of.

I think the point is that, although most games are fine due to crappy quality ports, when you start getting to the games with modability and such with high res textures longer view distances etc.. you can break that 2gb mark pretty easy (hell even 1080p in skyrim if you try hard enough) so for 99% of peopel it's fine, but things are only going to get more demanding, so why not accommodate for this sooner rather then later?

[Vardant]

Because people base their VRAM usage on a software, that doesn't show a true VRAM utilization and/or architecture, that caches everything into the RAM, even though it's not needed.

[eXa]

Yes. I see 16-17-1800mb ram usage in BF3 with my settings in 1200p, yet a GTX570 with same settings is fine, not limited by vram.

[Callsign_Vega]

Well I tried the registry fix to try and get my GTX 680's running at PCI-E 3.0 with my X79 MB and in Surround mode Windows fails to boot. So the article was right that there can be issues using that registry key.

So hopefully nVidia properly enables 3.0 or I will have to go back to the launch drivers which I think were 300.83?

[SKYMTL]

Well I tried the registry fix to try and get my GTX 680's running at PCI-E 3.0 with my X79 MB and in Surround mode Windows fails to boot. So the article was right that there can be issues using that registry key.

So hopefully nVidia properly enables 3.0 or I will have to go back to the launch drivers which I think were 300.83?

Why would you do that? IMO, newer drivers will give you performance improvements far beyond what PCI-E 3.0 ever could.

[Kain665]

I'm pretty sure the 680 isn't pushing over 8gb/s through the PCIe bus...

[Mech0z]

Any news on when smaller cards will arrive? (need something cheap with 560ti performance)

[Callsign_Vega]

Why would you do that? IMO, newer drivers will give you performance improvements far beyond what PCI-E 3.0 ever could.

Sure it is. My 4-way GTX 680 is dropped down to the bottom three cards running at 8x speed 2.0. On single card setups there has been proven to show a decrease in speed when going from 16x to 8x, let alone having three out of four cards at 8x in SLI pushing super high resolution n three displays.

[SKYMTL]

Sure it is. My 4-way GTX 680 is dropped down to the bottom three cards running at 8x speed 2.0. On single card setups there has been proven to show a decrease in speed when going from 16x to 8x, let alone having three out of four cards at 8x in SLI pushing super high resolution n three displays.

According to your system specs, you have an X58 UD9 which isn't PCI-E 3.0 compatible anyways...

Plus, I have yet to see a PCI-E 3.0 system with native compatibility (Z68 doesn't count) that goes to four by 8x PCI-E 2.0.

[boxleitnerb]

Because people base their VRAM usage on a software, that doesn't show a true VRAM utilization and/or architecture, that caches everything into the RAM, even though it's not needed.

This, exactly this.

[Systemlord]

Running a 4 way SLI setup from the beginning doesn't offer much performance diference like 2-way SLI, the third and fouth card offer a less and less performance as you go from 3-4 cards.

[UrbanSmooth]

And there's really nothing to brag about 3 sh*tty TN screens of the lowest quality.

Now, now.

I'm a gamer, not a photo editor. I'll take response time over **PERFECT IMAGE QUALITY** most of the time. I can't be getting sniped while I'm stopping to count how many shades of red the 'purdy flowaz' are. ROFL!! Also, did you know that the larger the resolution, the more VRAM that you need?

[Callsign_Vega]

Running a 4 way SLI setup from the beginning doesn't offer much performance diference like 2-way SLI, the third and fouth card offer a less and less performance as you go from 3-4 cards.

I always find generalization comments like this interesting, especially with those that may not have any experience with the topic. As someone who is now in my 4th generation of 4-way SLI and Crossfire multi-monitor setups, I would disagree.

[AliG]

Running a 4 way SLI setup from the beginning doesn't offer much performance diference like 2-way SLI, the third and fouth card offer a less and less performance as you go from 3-4 cards.

I remember seeing a review that the microstuttering is much better with the extra cards though. Even if you don't get any worthwhile FPS gains I think the smoother gameplay would be worth it (I'm assuming that if you can afford 2 then you afford another one)

[BababooeyHTJ]

I remember seeing a review that the microstuttering is much better with the extra cards though. Even if you don't get any worthwhile FPS gains I think the smoother gameplay would be worth it (I'm assuming that if you can afford 2 then you afford another one)

Yeah, I've always wanted to try out tri-sli for this reason.

[UrbanSmooth]

Running a 4 way SLI setup from the beginning doesn't offer much performance diference like 2-way SLI, the third and fouth card offer a less and less performance as you go from 3-4 cards.

Again, we have someone thinking in terms of a single display setup. With multiple displays, 3-4 GPUs offer a significant FPS increase.

The proof is in the pudding: http://nl.hardware.info/reviews/2641...nglish-version

[AliG]

Again, we have someone thinking in terms of a single display setup. With multiple displays, 3-4 GPUs offer a significant FPS increase.

The proof is in the pudding: http://nl.hardware.info/reviews/2641...nglish-version

Perhaps, but if anything that link supports the 7970 being a far better option for 4-way xfire/sli anyways. In a lot of cases the single card GTX 680 performed better than the multiple card setup, implying the drivers are the culprit, but still that would be a reason to not buy a multiple card gtx 680 setup right now.

As I said before, if I ever decide I need a top of the line setup, I would only go above 2 cards because of the reduce microstuttering.

[Systemlord]

Perhaps, but if anything that link supports the 7970 being a far better option for 4-way xfire/sli anyways. In a lot of cases the single card GTX 680 performed better than the multiple card setup, implying the drivers are the culprit, but still that would be a reason to not buy a multiple card gtx 680 setup right now.

As I said before, if I ever decide I need a top of the line setup, I would only go above 2 cards because of the reduce microstuttering.

What is this microstuttering with only 2 cards in SLI? I have heard of where AMD had this problem, but never heard of 2-way SLI having an issue with microstuttering. It's called V sync.

[UrbanSmooth]

V sync.

Oh, no he didn't.

[GoldenTiger]

Now, now.

I'm a gamer, not a photo editor. I'll take response time over **PERFECT IMAGE QUALITY** most of the time. I can't be getting sniped while I'm stopping to count how many shades of red the 'purdy flowaz' are. ROFL!! Also, did you know that the larger the resolution, the more VRAM that you need?

If I wanted outdated graphics and technology, I'd be playing on my NES still today as my main gaming platform. My S-IPS 30" 2560x1600 monitor has no issues with response time, looks fantastic and runs fast. The only change is it looks a heck of a lot better than a cruddy TN panel, and I can actually tell people from foliage thanks to the color definition. Plus, double the resolution = nice, too. I play games for fun, and eye-candy is sometimes part of that fun. It only boosts the gaming experience that much further!

Because people base their VRAM usage on a software, that doesn't show a true VRAM utilization and/or architecture, that caches everything into the RAM, even though it's not needed.

Too much FUD going around about VRAM needs... it's like people thinking for awhile that you needed a 1200w PSU for a single-card, one-HDD, dual-core CPU setup and parroting the misinformation repeatedly. It's quite annoying, really... everyone thinks you need obscene amounts when you really don't, and are both advising people and buying things themselves based off of this misinformation for more money + lower performance.

[JaD]

I'm a gamer, not a photo editor. I'll take response time over **PERFECT IMAGE QUALITY** most of the time. I can't be getting sniped while I'm stopping to count how many shades of red the 'purdy flowaz' are. ROFL!! Also, did you know that the larger the resolution, the more VRAM that you need?

You definitely don't need to be a photo editor to notice the difference between some of the worst displays on the market and decent ones. It's laughable to see people willing to spend thousands of dollars to apply uber-high game settings that make less and less difference, only for them to be displayed at an awfully low DPI with horribly low colour quality -not to mention the ridiculous shift in them that will be caused by the typical shifted panels position.

Truth is it's all about glamour, not actual experience improvement.

So go ahead and buy whatever monitors you want and as much vram you like, as I said in the previous post some partners will always make available cards with doubled memory - just for them to spill $50/card more out of you and don't annoy us with it.

What is this microstuttering with only 2 cards in SLI? I have heard of where AMD had this problem, but never heard of 2-way SLI having an issue with microstuttering. It's called V sync.

Hurray, another cyclical and infinite out-of-topic argument is introduced.

[Systemlord]

You definitely don't need to be a photo editor to notice the difference between some of the worst displays on the market and decent ones. It's laughable to see people willing to spend thousands of dollars to apply uber-high game settings that make less and less difference, only for them to be displayed at an awfully low DPI with horribly low colour quality -not to mention the ridiculous shift in them that will be caused by the typical shifted panels position.

Truth is it's all about glamour, not actual experience improvement.

So go ahead and buy whatever monitors you want and as much vram you like, as I said in the previous post some partners will always make available cards with doubled memory - just for them to spill $50/card more out of you and don't annoy us with it.


Hurray, another cyclical and infinite out-of-topic argument is introduced.

It wasn't an argument, it was a question Dumbo.

[JaD]

O'rly? Of course it was a question. A question that introduces another cyclical argument, ignited by mentioning vsync as the solution. As if the vram stuff wasn't enough.

[WeaponX]

Anybody have a chart for GTX 580 SLI vs GTX 680? I'd like to see if just getting another card will do for me since the 680 GTX is no where to be found...