Quote Originally Posted by LordEC911 View Post
Between GTX560Ti 448 and GTX580.
I do agree with you though and hope it is at least around or above GTX570.
Should be pretty competitive with Pitcairn.
The gtx 570 and 6970 has been around 330 dollars since the middle of the 2011, maybe even earlier. The gtx 560 448 at $289 hit around the gtx 570 performance as well, heck even the gigabyte gtx 560 SOC hit gtx 570 performance at around $269 and this was 10 months ago. Unless GK104 is well well under 300mm2 while using a new process, it should hit gtx 580 performance (which is at this point, looks like 10% with the 7950) level atleast if the memory controller is fixed.

If from going to gf114 to gk104, Nvidia only gained, 15-20%(gtx 570 performance) while using a new architecture and new process, it would be a massive failure, worse than the 2900xt or the 5800xt in someways because both companies have learned their lessons by now. In addition, with the 6870 going for 180 dollars and gtx 560 ti going for 200, it would be a bad value proposition. Not to mention the gtx 560 launched at $229 and getting gtx $570 performance at $299 would mean worse price to performance even from launch prices to launch price. With a mainstream card, this would be idiotic.

The only unrealistic thing is not so much performance I think from GK104, I think it is more so price. $349 seems like a more realistic price to me.