AMD "Piledriver" refresh of Zambezi - info, speculations, test, fans

[Oliverda]

Not sure how anyone can blame GF for the architecture failure.
Granted, they DO take up too much power, and it DOES heat up too much when OC'd....

What else can be THEIR fault?
How fast was it supposed to be, 6G? How was the performance of that monster OC that was on here, did it even compete with a 2600 or 990 at 4.5 g?
At stock frequencies the draw and heat are fine, and this chip gets WHALED on, which tells me and anyone else paying attention that's it's IPC is weak.
We still live in a ST world, regardless of what the geniuses over at AMD say.

This post reflects pretty well that you aren't familiar with the BD uarch at all.

Seriously? Quote mining much? You forgot the last part of the sentence "Phenom II has higher performance per watt, twice(!) the performance per mm² (taking processes in to account)." I honestly thought our discussion would be above your quote mining tactics. And your chart just proves my point. Phenom II DOES have higher performance per watt!

Shrunk? Please show me me that shrunk. Your statement just based on a simple theory.

And if shrunk with 32nm it would be almost half as big, but even cooler and capable of even higher performance! There you have twice the performance per mm².

Or not. Probably that shrunk would be worse than Thuban because the crappy 32nm tech. If not then prove it please.

And no, no one has presented any proof that 32nm is very bad at all, of course it might not be the best process right now, but if it's capable right from the start to make two gargantuan chips it can't be too bad, and it would most likely perform much better on smaller chips, like Thuban.

There is the Llano. It's a perfect proof. AMD and even the overclockers can't reach similar frequencies what we saw on Propus or Deneb.