SSD Write Endurance 25nm Vs 34nm

[Christopher]

I have a vertex that i received from a RMA situation. It 'panic locked' and could only be broken free of this by means of using a firmware flasher that isn't generally released unless you have a specific problem.
However, these panic-release flashers are released regularly to people with problems, they talk about them all the time in the vertex area of their forums. Only given via pm or email whatever with support.
So they sent me a few of these flashers, as they match up to certain configurations with the type of nand on the vertex series, as there has been a few versions over the years.
When none of the versions worked on my drive, they happened to ask me directly if the drive was received from an RMA> when i told them that it had in fact been an return from a RMA drive, they informed me that drive there wasnt a flasher for, and it had to be sent back.

Struck me as odd then, and still now. I believe it was a refurb and something akin to what you are mentioning is the situation. Otherwise, why would only a drive that was received from an RMA return the only drive that they did not have a flasher for(or at least one they are willing to release)?

I ran identify on both the drives, and the new Agility is 2x32 Intel 34nm 661302, the the 120 Turbo is 081102, which is Samsung NAND - I don't even remember if they hand out D flashes for drives with Samsung NAND. You said some (all?) of your drives were Turbo FW capable, right? Maybe that was someone else with 8 Vertex drives that I thought was you on the OCZ forums...

I'm not saying that's what they did, just that they could have. It's different to get a drive from RMA which may be used (because somewhere, in the fine print, they make this fact known), but it's another thing entirely to sell as new drive which may be used. When you do that, it's called REFURBISHED.


I'm still happy with the purchases... sequentially speaking, the Turbo 120 does 270mb/s reads and 210mb/s writes. It's sole weakness is of course 4k randoms, but is still compares pretty well for an old design.

[bulanula]

I'm not saying that's what they did, just that they could have. It's different to get a drive from RMA which may be used (because somewhere, in the fine print, they make this fact known), but it's another thing entirely to sell as new drive which may be used. When you do that, it's called REFURBISHED.

LOL. OCZ gets better and better at this kind of dodgy stuff. First the 25nm bait and switch. Then Spectek. Now this. EPIC business practice / profits and screw the consumer is too small a word

Would love to be a OCZ shareholder. Their tactics are quite successful so long as the media is paid not to make a big hype about it etc. Pretty good PR. It is obvious that the drives are not new. Imagine getting a brand new Commodore 64 today = impossible. Just like my 5870s = all sold as "NEW OEM" and none were indeed new. LOL

[Christopher]

just to be fair to OCZ, I only speculate that this could be going on, but it should be said that there are very few drives like mine. The one place that had 120 Turbos in stock only had 61 of them @$130 each. Maybe they keep some around for RMAs at OCZ, and decided to liquidate remainder stock. Or maybe they just keep some Indilinx + Intel nand around because they can be Agility or Vertex. Who knows? They did give some refunds for people who purchased JMicron based Core drives, so they've stepped up in the past. In fact, of the Turbo and Agility, the Agility must be newer, because OCZ had a problem with the new style plastic shells being out of spec and not fitting in some laptops. My new agility has the correct size plastic shell, while the Turbo doesnt . OCZ might be operating above board, and I'm more upset about getting the plastic chassis than getting possibly used drives.