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    Quote Originally Posted by Anvil View Post
    What other drive would be able to do ~300MB/s on average, except maybe for the SLC in the other thread.
    (not many "consumer SSDs", if any at all)
    The M3Ps and Vertex4 256/512 can probably beat it. A 128GB M3P can almost match the 830 256, it averages 280MB/s after a couple loops. It couldn't manage 300MB/s averages, but it can do 285MB/s. That's what the 830 did for the first month.
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    Samsung 830 256 Day 45

    1,061,769.05 GiB
    1,036.88 TiB

    295.97 MB/s Average
    1052 Hours

    4620 Wear Leveling Count
    MWI 1

    0/0 Erase/Program Fail



    OCZ Vertex Turbo 64 Day 62

    458,430.59 GiB
    447.68 TiB

    85.29 MB/s Avg
    1547 hours

    8192 Avg PE count
    -100 MWI

    0/0/0 Read/Program/Erase Fail

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    As long as the Plextor (or any other drive) don't carry the needed SMART attributes it's not a candidate for testing, imho.

    I might end up waiting for something with the new Marvell controller, most likely a drive with more than 64GB capacity.
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    It seems like Marvell-controlled drives not made by Crucial have an annoying tendency to have almost no SMART data. But if you've tried Arowana FW for Barefoot drives you'll notice it gets rid of the excellent Cognac Indilinx SMART data, and instead gives you something like Octane SMART data. So who knows? Half of the people on the face of this planet that care about SMART data happen to be us, so I'm sure there isn't much call from the public for more comprehensive SMART data in the future.

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    Todays update:

    m4
    803.0369 TiB
    3413 hours
    Avg speed 74.66 MiB/s.
    AD gone from 154 to 151.
    P/E 13855.
    MD5 OK.
    Reallocated sectors : 00


    Intel X25-M G1 80GB
    569.58 TiB
    22747 hours
    Reallocated sectors : 128 to 149
    Available Reserved space: 92 to 90
    MWI=124
    MD5 =OK
    44.97 MiB/s on avg
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    2: Phenom II X6 1100T-Asus M4A89TD Pro/usb3-8GB Corsair Dominator-Gainward GTX 460SE/-X25-V 40GB-(Crucial m4 64GB /Intel X25-M G1 80GB/X25-E 64GB/Mtron 7025/Vertex 1 donated to endurance testing)
    3: Asus U31JG - X25-M G2 160GB

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christopher View Post
    Yes, but I kinda feel like using a 256GB 830 is cheating. However, there are drives which can write much faster in ASU, but I think the 830 has the right mix of GC/TRIM to keep it from going all pear shaped in a hurry.
    Well, hopefully the M4 - 64gig gets there

    And I am always hoping for a good result from my 520. So far, so good!

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    Kingston SSDNow 40GB (X25-V)

    922.04TB Host writes
    Reallocated sectors : 05 41
    Available Reserved Space : E8 99
    POH 8268
    MD5 OK

    33.29MiB/s on avg (~116 hours)
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    Quote Originally Posted by canthearu View Post
    Well, hopefully the M4 - 64gig gets there

    And I am always hoping for a good result from my 520. So far, so good!
    I expect a lot of drives to get there, my Force 3 was just bad luck, the firmware wasn't ready for prime time and so it was running for months with all sorts of issues. (mainly disconnects, which quite often can be seen as a clear warning)

    I'm still considering running a Force 3 120GB again.
    (it's still in the box )
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    Make sure you use the 5.0.2 firmware if you want to retest the force 3. Would be interesting ... maybe 25nm production has gotten better over the last year.

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    The latest released fw from Corsair is 1.3.3 (late October).

    Patriot released 5.02 a few days ago (April 30)

    5.0.2 Release Notes
    - Added Nand Support
    - Updated SMART and Log Support
    - Improved hardware handling
    - Improved internal read buffering
    - Improved block count management
    - Improved Power Management

    Will wait for an update from Corsair if I decide to use it for testing.

    btw
    The drive I've got is just as old as the one I tested (got them more or less at the same time), so in case it gets tested it won't show anything new on the NAND front.

    edit:

    I noticed that OCZ released a new one about a week ago. v 2.22

    Looks like I've got a load of drives that needs updating.
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    Patriot Torqx-2 64GB - Day 76

    Drive hours: 1,834
    ASU GiB written: 129,127.82 GiB (126.13 TiB)
    Avg MB/s: 25.66 MB/s
    MD5: OK

    Bad blocks: 4 grown, 83 factory
    Wear cycle counter: 8081 average erase cycles, 12405 maximum erase cycles.
    Total ECC Error Count: 1

    Intel 520 60GB - Day 68

    Drive hours: 1,630
    ASU GiB written: 514,787.87 GiB (502.72 TiB)
    Avg MB/s: 95.35 MB/s
    MD5: OK

    Host GB written (F1): 518,220.47 GiB (506.07 TiB, 16583055 raw)
    NAND writes (F9): 366,879 GiB (358.28 TiB)

    Reallocated sectors (05): 0
    Failure count (AB, AC): 0 program, 0 erase
    Raw Error Rate (8B): 119 normalised
    Avaliable Reserved Space (AA): 100 normalised
    Media Wearout Indicator (E9): 1

    Vertex 4 128GB - Day 15

    Drive hours: 413
    ASU GiB written: 169,788.08 GiB (165.81 TiB)
    Avg MB/s: 144.14 MB/s
    MD5: OK

    Sector GB written (E8): 171,392.86 GiB (167.38 TiB, 359436875011 raw)
    Reallocated sectors (05): 0
    Raw Read Error Rate (01): 6
    Remaining Life (E9): 78

    The Torqx 2 popped another couple of blocks.

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    Todays update:

    m4
    808.0118 TiB
    3433 hours
    Avg speed 74.61 MiB/s.
    AD gone from 151 to 148.
    P/E 13939.
    MD5 OK.
    Reallocated sectors : 00


    Intel X25-M G1 80GB
    572.61 TiB
    22766 hours
    Reallocated sectors : 149 to 150
    Available Reserved space: 90
    MWI=124
    MD5 =OK
    45.08 MiB/s on avg
    1: AMD FX-8150-Sabertooth 990FX-8GB Corsair XMS3-C300 256GB-Gainward GTX 570-HX-750
    2: Phenom II X6 1100T-Asus M4A89TD Pro/usb3-8GB Corsair Dominator-Gainward GTX 460SE/-X25-V 40GB-(Crucial m4 64GB /Intel X25-M G1 80GB/X25-E 64GB/Mtron 7025/Vertex 1 donated to endurance testing)
    3: Asus U31JG - X25-M G2 160GB

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    Samsung 830 256 Day 46

    1,085,702.51 GiB
    1,060.25 TiB

    297.09 MB/s Average
    1075 Hours

    4723 Wear Leveling Count
    MWI 1

    0/0 Erase/Program Fail



    OCZ Vertex Turbo 64 Day 62

    465,181.62 GiB
    454.28 TiB

    85.22 MB/s Avg
    1569 hours

    8311 Avg PE count
    -100 MWI

    0/0/0 Read/Program/Erase Fail

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    Nothing much to report. Who wants to wager which drive will be the first to pop a block?

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    No "bad blocks" yet on any of the drives, almost unheard of.

    Really hard to tell which one is the first to start reporting and maybe that'll jinx the drives.

    The Intel's (X25-V and the 320) both started reporting bad blocks pretty early, looks like the Intel's handles bad block really well.
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    I think this Turbo has some good flash in it. And the 64GB 830 didn't flag any blocks until almost 6,000PE cycles, and that was during the period in which it suffered from a lot of WA.

    I think it would be fun to wager on these drives. It would be like gambling on horse racing for storage enthusiasts. We just need some data to establish odds on the drives...
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    I tested the new SF fw on a few of my V3s and boy have things changed.

    I need to re-check my benchmarks/tests from last night but it looks like they have made a lot of changes, performance has changed a lot.
    If what I see is correct I will be testing something SF based with the new fw for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anvil View Post
    I tested the new SF fw on a few of my V3s and boy have things changed.

    I need to re-check my benchmarks/tests from last night but it looks like they have made a lot of changes, performance has changed a lot.
    If what I see is correct I will be testing something SF based with the new fw for sure.
    The new 5.02FW is a whole bag full of interesting! They're doing something different for sure.

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    I'm not sure anyone is actually looking for one of these two but great prices U.S.
    The full ad.> http://promotions.newegg.com/NEemail...ndex-_-E0-_-IT

    Intel 520 120GB Desktop kit $160> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc..._-20167093-L0C

    Crucial m4 256GB $200> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-20148443-L07B

    No rebates that is the price. FREE shipping.
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    The price of the M4 is far and away the most aggressively priced drive on the market. Few companies are going to be able to match it. But you have to think the drive's successor will be out soon.

    The Mushkin Chronos Deluxe 240GB has been in the $250 range for months, and that's not a bad deal either, especially on 5.xx FW. 32nm Toggle is good stuff.

    In the ASU thread I posted some results from my CDx120 on 5.02 and got significantly different results than in the past, and its definitely worth the upgrade.

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    Yesterdays update:

    m4
    819.1587 TiB
    3477 hours
    Avg speed 74.48 MiB/s.
    AD gone from 148 to 142.
    P/E 14128.
    MD5 OK.
    Reallocated sectors : 00


    Intel X25-M G1 80GB
    579.43 TiB
    22810 hours
    Reallocated sectors : 150 to 151
    Available Reserved space: 90
    MWI=124
    MD5 =OK
    45.15 MiB/s on avg
    1: AMD FX-8150-Sabertooth 990FX-8GB Corsair XMS3-C300 256GB-Gainward GTX 570-HX-750
    2: Phenom II X6 1100T-Asus M4A89TD Pro/usb3-8GB Corsair Dominator-Gainward GTX 460SE/-X25-V 40GB-(Crucial m4 64GB /Intel X25-M G1 80GB/X25-E 64GB/Mtron 7025/Vertex 1 donated to endurance testing)
    3: Asus U31JG - X25-M G2 160GB

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    Todays update:

    m4
    826.7945 TiB
    3507 hours
    Avg speed 74.46 MiB/s.
    AD gone from 142 to 137.
    P/E 14258.
    MD5 OK.
    Reallocated sectors : 00


    Intel X25-M G1 80GB
    584.09 TiB
    22840 hours
    Reallocated sectors : 151
    Available Reserved space: 90
    MWI=124
    MD5 =OK
    45.18 MiB/s on avg
    1: AMD FX-8150-Sabertooth 990FX-8GB Corsair XMS3-C300 256GB-Gainward GTX 570-HX-750
    2: Phenom II X6 1100T-Asus M4A89TD Pro/usb3-8GB Corsair Dominator-Gainward GTX 460SE/-X25-V 40GB-(Crucial m4 64GB /Intel X25-M G1 80GB/X25-E 64GB/Mtron 7025/Vertex 1 donated to endurance testing)
    3: Asus U31JG - X25-M G2 160GB

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    Kingston SSDNow 40GB (X25-V)

    931.77TB Host writes
    Reallocated sectors : 05 41
    Available Reserved Space : E8 99
    POH 8352
    MD5 OK

    33.85MiB/s on avg (~50 hours)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Christopher View Post
    The price of the M4 is far and away the most aggressively priced drive on the market. Few companies are going to be able to match it. But you have to think the drive's successor will be out soon.

    The Mushkin Chronos Deluxe 240GB has been in the $250 range for months, and that's not a bad deal either, especially on 5.xx FW. 32nm Toggle is good stuff.

    In the ASU thread I posted some results from my CDx120 on 5.02 and got significantly different results than in the past, and its definitely worth the upgrade.
    The chronos deluxe 240GB was at 200$ last week at ncix. But yes it's in Canada.

    Too bad I didn't wait, I took it when it was 260$ 2 months ago!

    Prices are going down, OCZ reports it sells SSD at 0.65$/GB.
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    Patriot Torqx-2 64GB - Day 80

    Drive hours: 1,932
    ASU GiB written: 137,907.07 GiB (134.68 TiB)
    Avg MB/s: 25.16 MB/s
    MD5: OK

    Bad blocks: 4 grown, 83 factory
    Wear cycle counter: 8630 average erase cycles, 13275 maximum erase cycles.
    Total ECC Error Count: 1

    Intel 520 60GB - Day 72

    Drive hours: 1,728
    ASU GiB written: 547,629.46 GiB (534.80 TiB)
    Avg MB/s: 95.36 MB/s
    MD5: OK

    Host GB written (F1): 551,243.91 GiB (538.32 TiB, 17639805 raw)
    NAND writes (F9): 390,247 GiB (381.10 TiB)

    Reallocated sectors (05): 0
    Failure count (AB, AC): 0 program, 0 erase
    Raw Error Rate (8B): 114 normalised
    Avaliable Reserved Space (AA): 100 normalised
    Media Wearout Indicator (E9): 1

    Vertex 4 128GB - Day 19

    Drive hours: 532
    ASU GiB written: 219,673.92 GiB (214.53 TiB)
    Avg MB/s: 144.97 MB/s
    MD5: OK

    Sector GB written (E8): 221,533.39 GiB (216.34 TiB, 464589188133 raw)
    Reallocated sectors (05): 0
    Raw Read Error Rate (01): 6
    Remaining Life (E9): 71

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