AMD Officially Denies Bulldozer Delay !

[undone]

AMD admit Bulldozer is delayed and says they will compete on price/perf more than on pure perf.



http://www.hardware.fr/news/11583/co...n-retarde.html

The googlish tell me there isn't any official info. IMO it's still plausible statement.

[LowRun]

No official statement there. Hardware.fr talked to various mobo manuf who confirmed the delay, so they went and asked AMD who had no choice but to admit. If you know Hardware.fr then you know it's true.

[freeloader]

Would it be so hard for any idiot at AMD to just come out and say there's a delay or BD is on schedule? Way to treat your customers AMD. A company run by buffoons...Just ing confirm or deny the rumours.

[XRL8]

Would it be so hard for any idiot at AMD to just come out and say there's a delay or BD is on schedule? Way to treat your customers AMD. A company run by buffoons...Just ing confirm or deny the rumours.

Well they still have a month to the end of Q2.However yes, would be nice to JF pop in and say "Yup" or "no".
There was a time when AMD was morein touch with the userbase, seems like now its intel, sad part of it is that intel is more in touch however its more of a gay priest "touch" :-/

[LowRun]

sad part of it is that intel is more in touch however its more of a gay priest "touch" :-/

made me

[RussC]

If its a delay till Sept, then its a fail for the xmas/holiday season system sales. This will hurt there stock alot going into the end of year. Great AMD...

RussC

[dinos22]

chew* > some interesting guesses there mate

[XRL8]

If its a delay till Sept, then its a fail for the xmas/holiday season system sales. This will hurt there stock alot going into the end of year. Great AMD...

RussC

Huh ?If they introduce the chip in september, they fail the december sales ? How ?

[chew*]

chew* > some interesting guesses there mate

Heh my guess was just thuban with 2 more cores + 10%, if i hit the nail on the head it's merely coincidence. It's not a far fetched unrealistic estimation.

Even without 10% ipc improvements in theory 8 core should beat 4 core/8 thread in multithreaded apps like cinebench, vantage cpu test and wprime.

If I was AMD my concern would be in the low end segment where I was going to have to battle 2500K and 4 real cores without "innefecient" HT.

The $175 price range is an important place to be competitive in as it's preety much affordable to the majority.

[dinos22]

just mucking around mate heheh yeah it sounds logical

[RussC]

Huh ?If they introduce the chip in september, they fail the december sales ? How ?

Yes, OEM wont have time to integrate the CPU into systems in time for holiday buying. Thats a large chunk of change for the Q3/4 qtrs and full year earnings. They will get retail sales, but OEMs are a big part sales also.

RussC

[Assimilator87]

dont fear about BD as Titanic .

Another processor already took the crown of pulling a Titanic, and it was made by the other team

[cold2010]

AMD confirms postponement of "Bulldozer "

The countless rumors had even more rules: Go to start the press conference, Rick Bergman of AMD, the shift of the "Zambezi" high-end desktop processors confirmed to late summer. According to these products become available only after two to three months in the trade.

This should lead to AMD are already in short supply, to supply an OEM equipment for the important especially overseas "Back to School" period, which traditionally begins in late summer

http://www.computerbase.de/news/hard...von-bulldozer/

[ReKcOlNu]

AMD confirms postponement of "Bulldozer "

Video here, from AMD's Computex Taipei 2011 Press Conference part 3, that slide is shown @ 4:15, just in case anyone thinks the pic is a fake.

[Daveburt714]

Well.... It sucks that we have to wait a few more months for BD, but at least they finally cleared up all the rumors.
No AMD fan wants to hear it, but from a business sense if the chip isn't quite ready they're better off to wait.
The last thing they need to do is repeat the mistakes of Agena!

Call me a fanboy (because I am ), at least we'll have Llano toys to hold us over...

[slaveondope]

AMD confirms postponement of "Bulldozer "

That's it I'm buying a Sandy Bridge rig...
Give me fsb clocking or give me hell

[chew*]

AMD confirms postponement of "Bulldozer "





http://www.computerbase.de/news/hard...von-bulldozer/

I just think people projections are off. 2-3 weeks hardlaunch? Doubt it.

Nothing we have see adds up to that type of launch date.

Usually I would have silicon sometimes a month before.........

Then we would see board leaks....with older cpu parts..

Then we would see coolaler forums claim WR's on unreleased hardware and violate NDA doing so.....

Then we would see actual hardware leaks in china, japan, taiwan for sale early.......

I posted that on 5/14.........and that info is just based on mere deduction.

Some chose to believe others, let not name names

It's best not to trust those that leak info, chances are they are given misinformation to flush them out as a leak source.......

[nex_73]

^^Agree with chew*
What i posted day after.
Shall i say it??? hmmm.... yes!
We told you so!

[Chrono Detector]

Well, since AMD confirmed it themselves the title of this topic is no longer true right? Sucks, because I was hoping Bulldozer would be released somewhere this month.

[FlanK3r]

guys, dont panic...
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4389/c...o-motherboards
The other thing I did hear at the show floor regarding Bulldozer was about its clock speed. Current B1 stepping parts are easily hitting 3.8GHz which is what the high end SKU may actually ship at (with turbo support up to 4.2GHz). I'm waiting for more confirmation but it sounds like Bulldozer will at least clock very high.

Shimpi said before some days ago bull*ts about performance...still lived in meaning "BD is crap and problems with clocks" and today???? Heh, totaly diferent story. Because he really heard before only about B0...(about B1 lied and not know)

[undone]

At last comes the clarifications. Looks like amd has changed its plan about APU & bulldozer, perhaps APU is in great need but yield is not enough for Llano, so they decided to sacrifice bulldozer, by postponing it about 2 month.
I'm afraid it's the long-term strategy, that put APU first, then CPU later, to feed the need of APU. I think it's right about this strategy but some high-end user maybe disappointed about this.
BTW good to hear about the Trinity sample is out, they may have enough time to plan this "bulldozer+APU" product.

Edit: I think the process node is health because Llano has no problem, the postponing is just a new strategy, being decided when the CEO, Dirk Meyer was left.

Edit2: I suddenly realized that whether there was any incorrect strategy when Dirk Meyer was still here. AFAIK the amd server platform always comes out first(Shanghai, Istanbul, etc), but this time the Zambezi is aheaded Interlagos for about a hole quarter, it maybe indirectly leaked the Interlagos performance. OTOH, the production shortage of Zacate maybe due to the wrong strategy too.

[XRL8]

Yes, OEM wont have time to integrate the CPU into systems in time for holiday buying. Thats a large chunk of change for the Q3/4 qtrs and full year earnings. They will get retail sales, but OEMs are a big part sales also.

RussC

Thing is, OEMs get CPUs faster than the retail, thats for one, and second, AM3+ is launched as of today, so the only thing OEM has to do is insert the chip, which they can do easily in the 3 month timeframe.Theres no problem in here really.

That's it I'm buying a Sandy Bridge rig...
Give me fsb clocking or give me hell

True dat!

At last comes the clarifications. Looks like amd has changed its plan about APU & bulldozer, perhaps APU is in great need but yield is not enough for Llano, so they decided to sacrifice bulldozer, by postponing it about 2 month.
I'm afraid it's the long-term strategy, that put APU first, then CPU later, to feed the need of APU. I think it's right about this strategy but some high-end user maybe disappointed about this.
BTW good to hear about the Trinity sample is out, they may have enough time to plan this "bulldozer+APU" product.

Edit: I think the process node is health because Llano has no problem, the postponing is just a new strategy, being decided when the CEO, Dirk Meyer was left.

Healthy process node doesnt mean BD is healthy.65nm was healthy for amd when they failed with agena.I dont think theyre sacrificing BD in order to ship more llano either, as theyre making much more $ per chip with server and desktop BD`s.BD is probably just not ready as everyone says.

[mattkosem]

the only thing OEM has to do is insert the chip, which they can do easily in the 3 month timeframe.Theres no problem in here really.

That's not completely accurate. Off-the-shelf PC models go through months of validation before they are available to customers. They're not just vetting out a new mobo in these PCs, they're testing the whole thing. Every component has to be leaned out as much as possible to keep costs down, and it takes a while to prove out how low they can go without sacrificing too much reliability.

--Matt

[marten_larsson]

Healthy process node doesnt mean BD is healthy.65nm was healthy for amd when they failed with agena.I dont think theyre sacrificing BD in order to ship more llano either, as theyre making much more $ per chip with server and desktop BD`s.BD is probably just not ready as everyone says.

Well, Rick Bergman stated that server CPUs were going as planned, it's only desktop parts that are being delayed a month or so... (He said mobos in 30 days and CPUs a month after that.)

Also, the margins on Llano is probably quite good too, it's a much smaller chip, compared to margins on desktop BD (if pricing rumours of top end at around 300$).

[zalbard]

July-August could be a good starting point, the end of summer usually has decent sales. Assuming immediate availability, that is.
So much for people crapping on the news posts based on their own undisclosed sources, though...