AMD Zambezi news, info, fans !

[freeloader]

I'm tired of waiting myself. All I could ask from AMD is to release specs and performance numbers in June. If the processors performance is what I'm hoping it will be, then I would wait to purchase one.

[Postmodum]

Serious, now with the "drama queen" aside... these are bad news if real. I'm talking about business opportunity and business plan... not just about frustration for the users.
You all know that a business, to be successful, has to be structured in 2 things: Offering a solution that the competition still didn't address ( in this case, my guess is the price/performance/multi-thread performance/cores ) in a profitable timeframe that will allow the solution to gain market share and be a clear choice for buyers.

If you keep the first part but you start messing with the timeframe where you are going to commercialize your solution, other variables will take place.

If June was a very good timeframe, because it was a "dead cluster" where the competition wouldn't annouce any new products and BD would have a big plus there to gain market... in September, there is going to be lots of buzz about the new products from Intel.

That's why i think, if true , it's not a good move.

[Postmodum]

Btw, as i said earlier... i think rumor is all about getting attentions off BD or creating more frustration:

http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news...lay2c-but.aspx

[Mats]

How detailed is the official launch date, seriously?

Is it 2011?

Q2 2011?

Or June 7, 2011?

Feel free to post a link, the roadmaps I've seen are old an can be changed, and I don't think they were official anyway.

[undone]

Btw, as i said earlier... i think rumor is all about getting attentions off BD or creating more frustration:

http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news...lay2c-but.aspx

Now all we need is just below:

"Our public roadmap has not changed."

The "but..." from title means:

The thing is though, that there is plenty of indication, that at least some things are going wrong.

The above is a speculation by BSN.

The site give me an impression better than before. BullNews has good at spreading fud since long time ago, but they do a good job this time.

[Mats]

That's why i think, if true , it's not a good move.

Stop it, it's most likely not a deliberate "move".

[Mats]

BullNews has good at spreading fud since long time ago, but they do a good job this time.

Exactly, that's my point.

Stop spreading the rumors, it just makes it worse. We can all start whining when we know for sure, but it's too early for that.

[DarthShader]

I'm talking about business opportunity and business plan... not just about frustration for the users.
You all know that a business, to be successful, has to be structured in 2 things: Offering a solution that the competition still didn't address ( in this case, my guess is the price/performance/multi-thread performance/cores ) in a profitable timeframe that will allow the solution to gain market share and be a clear choice for buyers.

If you are talking in terms of buisness, then you have to realize enthusiasts like people visiting this board are of least concern for AMD right now. Servers and OEM boxes are where the most money is and where AMD has most chances for being competetive. Server BD is in Q3 and Llano is on track. And AMD needs money right now.

[Oliverda]

How detailed is the official launch date, seriously?

Is it 2011?

Q2 2011?

Or June 7, 2011?

Feel free to post a link, the roadmaps I've seen are old an can be changed, and I don't think they were official anyway.

The public and official launch date is Q2 2011.



It is a public slide from last year's Analyst Day.

[informal]

Desktop was always Q2 as Oliverda wrote above.
BSN website links a response from AMD's PR representative who states that public roadmap remains unchanged for now.This means desktop is still Q2 and server Q3.Whole June is still Q2,so unless it launches in July or later, it is on track for Q2(June).

[Postmodum]

Mats are you that eager for the Bulldozer than you can't talk about rumors and "stuff" so you don't get frustrated? :P
Jeez, we're talking about "news", rumors ... whatever! If we think about it... we have been talking about rumors since the beginning, because there's no news what so ever about the chip ...
This is one more ...

[Mats]

No, it just that this negativity leads nowhere. I've been reading so much exaggerations the last month.

"BD is delayed one month = AMD can start digging their own grave"
"I've been waiting for BD for 8 years now, but now when the rumors says it's delayed 13 days I can't take it any more, Intel here I come."
(yeah I made those up)

There's nothing wrong with discussing rumors, but there's no reason taking them too serious and getting all negative.

Judging by the comments, too many AMD fans act like they're Intel fanboys just because they're frustrated. The worst thing is that they don't seem to realize it themselves..

[Manicdan]

"BD is delayed one month = AMD can start digging their own grave"

on the flipside when intel delays IB, its called a slowdown.
double standards are quite entertaining when not taken too seriously.

[Mats]

To be honest, when I saw that BD schedule for when ES, production samples etc would be made I thought it looked very optimistic.
It looked like it could only happen in such short time period if absolutely nothing goes wrong with this new CPU on a new process. Yeah now I'm being negative.. :p

[Dresdenboy]

Mats are you that eager for the Bulldozer than you can't talk about rumors and "stuff" so you don't get frustrated? :P
Jeez, we're talking about "news", rumors ... whatever! If we think about it... we have been talking about rumors since the beginning, because there's no news what so ever about the chip ...
This is one more ...

From a psychological point of view these discussions are interesting. There is an official roadmap launch window (Q2). Then we have leaked/faked (or rumoured) names for BD models (FX-8130P, FX-8110 etc.). Fine. Then we see other leaked/faked/rumoured model names for September (FX-8150, FX-8100 etc.).

Some people interpret this list as a delay and seemingly begin to believe their own assumptions.

Very interesting... I'll continue watching it unfold

[Mats]

Dresdenboy: Misinterpretation of roadmaps is quite common, I'm waiting for:

"OMG, AMD have renamed Zambezi, it's now called Komodo and will show up next year!!"

[XRL8]

JF said over and over Q2 .So if JF has any credence in AMD hes right.If things change, im sure JF would pop "Q3" post here and there.
And to bring that to perspective ,theres more than a month to end Q2.

[BeepBeep2]

on the flipside when intel delays IB, its called a slowdown.
double standards are quite entertaining when not taken too seriously.

The reason I think nobody really cares if Intel delays chips is the fact that they are still over half a year ahead of AMD in process nodes and a significant amount in performance. Its almost like Intel chips are so fast atm there is no desire to upgrade other than to get something else to play with.

[Kobaltrock]

But what about people who need a new PC in JUNE, JULY and AUGUST, plus the ones that want an upgrade?

AMD needs to make "cash" quick, a delay like that is really bad for them.
I hope the delay is somehow misunderstood and represents something else. I hope so

If there is a delay, and that is still up in the air, (rumors are just that...), it could have been for very good reasons, perhaps they didn't want to have to do a recall like intel did with their chipset.
Or, it could be they got so many orders for their other line of chips, they can afford to wait more...
Or they sold all their BD chips to OEMs, and they don't have capacity to do a hard launch...
Or...Or... We just don't know what is on their mind.

AMD cares about OEMs first, for obvious reasons, everyone else don't even make up 2% of sales I bet.

[Manicdan]

The reason I think nobody really cares if Intel delays chips is the fact that they are still over half a year ahead of AMD in process nodes and a significant amount in performance. Its almost like Intel chips are so fast atm there is no desire to upgrade other than to get something else to play with.

unless they showed math of expected savings by not pushing the node, vs the estimated margin increase IB would have, then they have no logical reason to make a real slowdown. right now the benefit of having a product with higher margins seems to be vastly more profitable due to their volume of sales, then it does to worry about a few months of R&D.

[zalbard]

unless they showed math of expected savings by not pushing the node, vs the estimated margin increase IB would have, then they have no logical reason to make a real slowdown. right now the benefit of having a product with higher margins seems to be vastly more profitable due to their volume of sales, then it does to worry about a few months of R&D.

3D transistors probably take more time to get prepared for than they anticipated. At least that's my guess.

[Formula350]

I asked a friend (who has the G34 'Dozers) if there is a delay and he said he'll see if he can find out. BUT I told him I'm only asking out of my own curiosity, to try and figure out where I sit for budget. If it's going to be delayed, I can shift it and get a Xonar Xense now like I wanted to a few months ago, but if not... well you see where I'm going :P Unless he gives the OK though, I'm not going to go back on my word :\ I'll figure something out...

[RussC]

The delay is most problematic for the holiday shopping season. If they dont get the production stuff into the pipeling by say July, thell miss significant system penetration for the holidays.

AMD isn't 6 months behind, there a full 1.5yrs in node shrinks. Does anyone here think that AMD will have 22nM product in the next 2 years....I certainly don't. And, if INTC really has Tri-Gate in Q1 of '12, there a full 2 nodes behind at the least.

RussC

[-Boris-]

Ome thing you have to consider is that a launch isn't the same as products in stores. AMD can launch it now if they like even if production samples turn up in stores in august or september. They would still claim they launched it on time.

[zalbard]

Does anyone here think that AMD will have 22nM product in the next 2 years...

I'm guessing that Q3-Q4 2012 should be about right.