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[jimbo75]

The delay is most problematic for the holiday shopping season. If they dont get the production stuff into the pipeling by say July, thell miss significant system penetration for the holidays.

AMD isn't 6 months behind, there a full 1.5yrs in node shrinks. Does anyone here think that AMD will have 22nM product in the next 2 years....I certainly don't. And, if INTC really has Tri-Gate in Q1 of '12, there a full 2 nodes behind at the least.

RussC

Good job intel is screwing it up then.

http://www.fudzilla.com/processors/i...h-/-april-2012

[flippin_waffles]

Good job intel is screwing it up then.

http://www.fudzilla.com/processors/i...h-/-april-2012

Uh oh, looks like that bridge won't have long on the market before it runs right into Komodo, Terramar and Sepang! (and Trinity). Krishna and Witchita should be a fair bit ahead of it.

[Olivon]

I'm guessing that Q3-Q4 2012 should be about right.

That's more Q2-Q3 2013 IMHO zalbard :

With risk production set to begin in 2H 2012, GLOBALFOUNDRIES is well on its way to delivering 22/20nm technology to customers for product introduction in 2013. The 20nm technology offerings will come in two varieties: a High Performance (HP) technology designed for wired applications such as servers and media processors, and a 20nm Super Low Power (SLP) technology designed for power-sensitive mobile applications. GLOBALFOUNDRIES also will have access to a 22nm Super High Performance (SHP) technology designed for devices requiring the utmost in performance. The 22/20nm technologies are planned to be a full node shrink from 32/28nm, and will utilize next-generation HKMG technology and strain engineering to enable the area and die cost scaling the industry has come to expect with each technology generation. Test chip shuttles for customers will begin running in Fab 1 in 2H2011.

http://globalfoundries.com/newsroom/...1_Roadmap.aspx

[zalbard]

No prototypes of 20nm till the end of 2012? This is like a year and a half ahead! Aren't they supposed to design things in advance?
And why 20nm and not 22nm? Are they going to bother releasing 28nm CPUs? I don't think this makes much sense (pretty close to 32nm)... Not a very good roadmap at all...
I'm guessing it's incomplete.

[BeepBeep2]

No prototypes of 20nm till the end of 2012? This is like a year and a half ahead! Aren't they supposed to design things in advance?
And why 20nm and not 22nm? Are they going to bother releasing 28nm CPUs? I don't think this makes much sense (pretty close to 32nm)... Not a very good roadmap at all...
I'm guessing it's incomplete.

22/20nm

20nm low power 22nm high performance just like 28nm /32nm

[Olivon]

No prototypes of 20nm till the end of 2012? This is like a year and a half ahead! Aren't they supposed to design things in advance?
And why 20nm and not 22nm? Are they going to bother releasing 28nm CPUs? I don't think this makes much sense (pretty close to 32nm)... Not a very good roadmap at all...
I'm guessing it's incomplete.

As it stands today, Intel is roughly 18 months ahead of IBM, Global Foundries, TSMC and Samsung on their process technology. Intel began shipping 32nm parts in late 2009, while AMD started shipping 32nm parts from Global Foundries in April, 2011.
The most likely scenario for 22nm is that Intel begins shipping at the end of 2011 or early 2012 and the foundries follow with 20nm products in 2013. Intel will have a ~18 month window with a twofold manufacturing edge over their competitors.

http://www.realworldtech.com/page.cf...0511195446&p=2

[RussC]

Im really skeptical of that AMD/GF roadmap. Well see.

RussC

[Formula350]

No prototypes of 20nm till the end of 2012? This is like a year and a half ahead! Aren't they supposed to design things in advance?
And why 20nm and not 22nm? Are they going to bother releasing 28nm CPUs? I don't think this makes much sense (pretty close to 32nm)... Not a very good roadmap at all...
I'm guessing it's incomplete.

I see no one paid attention to what the graph ACTUALLY said lol

That is only for the APUs. So I would fully expect the desktop chips to have a similar roadmap for the 22nm process

EDIT: Seems there's a full-on preview of Gigabyte's GA-990FX-UD7 over at GDM.or.jp o_0 Even tossed in some SB950 SATA6 benchmarks with CDM against an ASRock 890FX Deluxe4, which sadly the SB950 didn't do very well on the big writes, though it was only the 50MB transfer test.
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I'm very pleased GB went with the black approach like with their new Intel board (most of, at least).

[jimbo75]

Im really skeptical of that AMD/GF roadmap. Well see.

RussC

No need to be, GF has already shown a 20nm test wafer.

[zalbard]

I see no one paid attention to what the graph ACTUALLY said lol

That is only for the APUs. So I would fully expect the desktop chips to have a similar roadmap for the 22nm process

Llano is APU, too, though.

[eXa]

Just wondering. Do we have any clue as to how BD is regarding memory?
Will it be just as "picky" as deneb/thuban, or do you think it will be more in line with Intel?

[DarthShader]

Nope, we don't have any clue yet.

[Lightman]

Nope, we don't have any clue yet.

Except that it does officially support 1833MHz memory and works fine with DIMMs clocked at least to 2130MHz+

[RussC]

Showing a demo wafer(who knows what that really is?) at a show and actually having production ready chips are very different. And given AMD/GF track record, again Im real skeptical.

RussC

No need to be, GF has already shown a 20nm test wafer.

[DarthShader]

works fine with DIMMs clocked at least to 2130MHz+

We know that? How do we know that?

[Dimitriman]

We know that? How do we know that?

A lot of boards already claim support for 2133 mhz memory. So should be safe to say that BD will handle it.

[TheBlueChanell]

Technically, couldn't AMD go to Intel to fab their chips? Intel opened their fabs to other companys, I don't see why AMD couldn't take part in that...would be interesting. Talk about sleeping with the Enemy

[zalbard]

That would be outrageous from a PR point of view, though. And GloFo isn't that bad.

[demonkevy666]

Technically, couldn't AMD go to Intel to fab their chips? Intel opened their fabs to other companys, I don't see why AMD couldn't take part in that...would be interesting. Talk about sleeping with the Enemy

That will never happen.
AMD and intel will never let each other see their designs
besides GloFO only technically has 2 fabs ? Intel was to said to have 10 or more.

That would be outrageous from a PR point of view, though. And GloFo isn't that bad.

Intel opned their fabs to other companies in using The X86 cores as a base for anything it's not really opened at all.
for Intel it's more like sure we can make something like that as long as it uses Their X86 cores inside of it.

[Formula350]

Llano is APU, too, though.

Pretty sure that, like the E350, any desktop motherboards are simply being made to take advantage of what is already available. Most of us wouldn't considering the Llano a desktop chip, especially considering it's still just Bobcat based What I meant by "desktop" is Bulldozer, but more specifically, AM3+ variants. I haven't looked at one in awhile, but I don't recall any server chips being mentioned in the same roadmap slides as the consumer desktop and mobile ones. So as the product lines become broader with available models, they'll likely start to give them their own *shrug*

Based on what I found in the AMD System Monitor file, I think the majority of the Crossfire options are going to be in mobile platforms. I'd have to look again, but I don't think any of the models are up on the desktop market save for 2. One of them was slightly different in name, but the other I believe was the HD6670.

While we're on the topic though... Was over at Sapphire's site looking to see if they had any 990-based motherboards available as well. While they didn't, I had hoped over there first to check out the BIOS availability for this E350 board I have. When going through the product selection process I noticed something strange available: "Socket FM1" o_0 Alas, there were no models available to pick, nor a page in the product's section, but it's something

[spicypixel]

Llano isn't bobcat based afaik.

[charged3800z24]

Llano isn't bobcat based afaik.

Correct, Liano more so a Phenom based APU with better turbo and far better GPU.

[Formula350]

Llano isn't bobcat based afaik.

Correct, Liano more so a Phenom based APU with better turbo and far better GPU.

Correct. My apologies!

I never paid much attention to the Bobcat architecture, and thought that the Stars core was a higher-end one. Later info came out indicating it is K10.5, and that just hasn't set in

[Nintendork]

It's K10.5+. There should be improvements in performance here and there. Also Llano got only 1 memory controller, different to K10.5 wich got DDR2/DDR3 with his adv/dsadv.

[-Boris-]

Correct. My apologies!

I never paid much attention to the Bobcat architecture, and thought that the Stars core was a higher-end one. Later info came out indicating it is K10.5, and that just hasn't set in

It has been known to be based on Stars cores since well before bobcat was known.