***Asus Rampage III Extreme Owners Thread***

[Sanousie]

[QUOTE=Andreezy;4799188]you are right, it shouldnt matter if you are stable.
but who knows now im even more confused.
i installed the set of 12GB 2000MHZ and set uncore to reg x1.5 to start testing and LinX gave me 82Gflops, i didnt save that run and tested again and
the Gflops are up ~80gflops average, i saved a screen capture.
both 12gb kit 1600mhz and 2000mhz performed almost 100% identical in
3DMark Vantage in score.


Increasing the uncore to 2x the ram speed should see a significant improvement in performance, your better off running the ram at 1600mhz uncore 3200mhz.

Eva2000 compared uncore and performance and the results proved uncore really effect performance.

[zoson]

What do you think about using loadline calibration on this board? If i need 1.4v for 4.6ghz, is it better for the cpu if i set 50% LLC, and the idle voltage is higher, dropping on load, or set 100% LLC, and have lower voltage in idle, so it climbs to 1.39v on load?

I think it's good in all situations to have LLC 100%. My chip is very unhappy when there is vdroop. It may be a chip-to-chip thing, but it seems all the heavy overclockers use it.

Increasing the uncore to 2x the ram speed should see a significant improvement in performance, your better off running the ram at 1600mhz uncore 3200mhz.

Eva2000 compared uncore and performance and the results proved uncore really effect performance.

Seems the opposite for me. More gflops at 2ghz 9-9-9-25-110-1T mem with 3.6ghz uncore than 1600mhz 7-8-7-24-88-1T mem with 3.2ghz uncore. I tried this in diagnostic mode last night, also. Still ~60gflops with all mem.

I played with vQPI up to 1.425v last night. 1.4120v allowed me to get my uncore up to x19(3.8ghz), but I couldn't hit that magical 4ghz. The step from 3.2 to 3.6 only needed .0125v increase. The step from 3.6 to 3.8 needed .062v! Almost 5 times times more!!! I think I need 1.48v+ for 4ghz uncore with my memory.

1.425v and pcie freq of 104 allowed me to fully stabilize 210bclk tho! I don't think I want to run 20x210 for 4.2 instead of 21x200 tho... I don't think the difference will be that much, and the added volts bring my temps up from 84c max linx to 88c max.

Things I still want to do some more:
Retest with higher vQPI while dropping ram to 2T. This should help with uncore stability, I think?
Try to get linx stable with 4.5ghz HT Off just to get into the 4.5ghz club. There was a 990x shot of 25x180 doing 91Gflops with 6/6 instead of 6/12! My goal is to beat that with 6/6.

Also thinking about getting an external rad box. Maybe one of those 9x120mm deals. Was also considering like an xspc radstand. Plumb those things in with some QDC's so I can switch it in and out of the loop easily. For 24/7, the triple 120mm rad setup I have is fine, but it just lacks the capacity required for those higher clocks. I see everyone doing 4.5 with like 70-80c, and I'm doing 4.2 with 80+...

[Andreezy]

Increasing the uncore to 2x the ram speed should see a significant improvement in performance, your better off running the ram at 1600mhz uncore 3200mhz.

Eva2000 compared uncore and performance and the results proved uncore really effect performance.

I am now using the 12GB 2000MHZ 9-11-9-27 Kit and trying
to uncore 2x @4000Mhz

I did a comparison of 12GB Patriot DDR3 Kits 1600Mhz/2000Mhz
i ran both test @ 4.2GHZ with same cpu voltage and blck and
both the 1600mhz and 2000mhz kits gave me almost identical
benchmark result in 3DMark Vantage and behaved similar in Linx.

in all fairness the 12GB 1600mhz was uncore @ 2x with timings of 8-8-8-24
the 12GB 2000mhz was uncore @ 1.5x with timings of 9-11-9-27

it is not easy to be Linx stable with x2 uncore on GulfTown (i7 970) and 12GB 2000mhz, needs major qpi above 4.2Ghz.

so conclusion so far is, you can have 1600mhz ram behave just as fast as 2000mhz ram if you uncore @ 2x (in my results)
price is the thing here that gets me, one kit is worth twice as the other

@zoson.
i seem to need more than 1.4v qpi also to uncore almost anything @4.5GHZ
i am trying 25 multi and 180bclk to get 4,515mhz and
cpu 1.370v/qpi 1.385v and so far no go on LinX

p.s.
maybe the 1600mhz 8-8-8-24 kit i have is more stable for 4.5Ghz.

[Andreezy]

Seems the opposite for me. More gflops at 2ghz 9-9-9-25-110-1T mem with 3.6ghz uncore than 1600mhz 7-8-7-24-88-1T mem with 3.2ghz uncore. I tried this in diagnostic mode last night, also. Still ~60gflops with all mem.

next time you test LinX with all memory, try to run it when you have allocated more than 11GB for LinX.

I played with vQPI up to 1.425v last night. 1.4120v allowed me to get my uncore up to x19(3.8ghz), but I couldn't hit that magical 4ghz. The step from 3.2 to 3.6 only needed .0125v increase. The step from 3.6 to 3.8 needed .062v! Almost 5 times times more!!! I think I need 1.48v+ for 4ghz uncore with my memory.

i will try to uncore 2x 4000mhz using 21 multi and 200bclk.
i will also try using 180bclk and diff multi to see can use less qpi v, so i can
do 2x uncore @4000mhz with ram at 2000mhz.
if GulfTown qpi v is max 1.4v under factory spec, i'll assume its R&D.

[p3gaz_001]

Always nice to see one ...




nice temp under wb cooling...

[CryptiK]

Nice, it's the plexi twin of my board

[Mungri]

I am now using the 12GB 2000MHZ 9-11-9-27 Kit and trying
to uncore 2x @4000Mhz

I did a comparison of 12GB Patriot DDR3 Kits 1600Mhz/2000Mhz
i ran both test @ 4.2GHZ with same cpu voltage and blck and
both the 1600mhz and 2000mhz kits gave me almost identical
benchmark result in 3DMark Vantage and behaved similar in Linx.

in all fairness the 12GB 1600mhz was uncore @ 2x with timings of 8-8-8-24
the 12GB 2000mhz was uncore @ 1.5x with timings of 9-11-9-27

it is not easy to be Linx stable with x2 uncore on GulfTown (i7 970) and 12GB 2000mhz, needs major qpi above 4.2Ghz.

so conclusion so far is, you can have 1600mhz ram behave just as fast as 2000mhz ram if you uncore @ 2x (in my results)
price is the thing here that gets me, one kit is worth twice as the other

@zoson.
i seem to need more than 1.4v qpi also to uncore almost anything @4.5GHZ
i am trying 25 multi and 180bclk to get 4,515mhz and
cpu 1.370v/qpi 1.385v and so far no go on LinX

p.s.
maybe the 1600mhz 8-8-8-24 kit i have is more stable for 4.5Ghz.

I can only get my ram stable up to 1900 Mhz. 2000 Mhz and 4000 Uncore is a complete no go.

I'm running at 1600 Mhz Cas 6 instead, 2000+ just wont work at all. I was thinking of buying new ram, but I found out from reading around that its not the ram thats at fault, the problem is that X58 simply doesnt like 2000 Mhz ram

[CryptiK]

X58's can run DDR3-2000MHz no problem, it's the CPU IMC that is usually the limiting factor on 1366. Some IMC's are so bad they need 1.65 Vtt to cope with DDR3-2000MHz. If your ram and IMC are up to it the R3E should handle it no problem.

Here's my setup doing a quick 100% run on HCI memtest testing all available memory.


DDR3-2008 MHz | 8-8-8-24 1T tRFC 110 | B2B 0 | 1.561 Vdimm | 3588 MHz uncore | 1.296 Vtt

[skuldarin]

i was able to get 1866 to go at 2x uncore on here with the same tight timings. i still can't get my mem to have even timings and not stagered.

[Andreezy]

I can only get my ram stable up to 1900 Mhz. 2000 Mhz and 4000 Uncore is a complete no go.

I'm running at 1600 Mhz Cas 6 instead, 2000+ just wont work at all. I was thinking of buying new ram, but I found out from reading around that its not the ram thats at fault, the problem is that X58 simply doesnt like 2000 Mhz ram

i am starting to think 2000mhz ram is good for GulfTown cpu.

although i was able to run 6gb 2000mhz ram with bloomfield W3570 and i7 950.
12GB 2000Mhz was so easy with i7 970, that i am trying to break 4.5Ghz using the headroom this kit gives me from ~1600Mhz---->2000Mhz.
i did 4.4Ghz and i need cpu v over 1.4v for 4.5Ghz.......:mad

[CryptiK]

i am starting to think 2000mhz ram is good for GulfTown cpu.

although i was able to run 6gb 2000mhz ram with bloomfield W3570 and i7 950.
12GB 2000Mhz was so easy with i7 970, that i am trying to break 4.5Ghz using the headroom this kit gives me from ~1600Mhz---->2000Mhz.
i did 4.4Ghz and i need cpu v over 1.4v for 4.5Ghz.......:mad
http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o...e/85gflops.png

You should be able to tell what kind of vcore you'll need for 4.5 GHz by looking at what your CPU needs for various lower speeds. It will scale pretty much linearly until a certain point where it will become less linear. You can work out how many mv you need per 100MHz increase, and work out what the CPU would need at higher speeds if scaling was linear.

DDR3-2000MHz ram is nice, but honestly quite unnecessary for daily use. If you compared normal tasks and time taken or FPS in your games, you'd see barely any difference between something like DDR3-1600 C6, DDR3-1800 C7 or DDR3-2000 C8. Even DDR3-2000 C7 is barely noticeable for normal use IMO and not worth the extra stress on the system.

[skuldarin]

so i got that bluescreen viewer program. it actually looks like almost every BSOD i've had was due to vcore issues. lots of 101's, a few B3's... i had a couple 116's but those were old from when ATI had the world's crapiest drivers during fall last year.

not once had it logged anything for VTT though. so i might chance it and increase vtt a bit over 1.4 and see what i come up with. i figure as long as temps don't go over 85*c it should be safe.

[Maxpayne]

Zoson click on image

Hey guys, so I put there a sound card in the lower slot, but windows did not find any card, only works in PCI-E 4x

why?

[p3gaz_001]

Nice, it's the plexi twin of my board

Hey guys, so I put there a sound card in the lower slot, but windows did not find any card, only works in PCI-E 4x

why?

the lower slot is a pci-express 2.0 slot,don't connect the sound card there

[skuldarin]

well i went back and tried some new mem timings to see if i could get it any tighter.

i ALMOST got 1800 to work at 6-8-6-24-72 1T. problem is, BIOS hangs on startup. VTT at 1.418v, DRAM at 1.749v, Link rate kept around 6300-6700 (any higher on link and bios doesn't start at all) and uncore kept around 3000-3500 for stability. i tried loads of RTL settings and went as far as +4 to tRL's but still no luck and still hangs on bios. probably too much on the IMC.

right now i have it back to normal at 1866 7-9-7-24-72 1T but with uncore at exactly 2x at 3733 over 3200 i had it before.

[p3gaz_001]

dram 1.74? going more than 1.64 it will not damage the cpu?

[Brama]

dram 1.74? going more than 1.64 it will not damage the cpu?

No, until difference between Vram and Vtt is more than 0.47 V.

[p3gaz_001]

mmmh.. gotta try .... so i can no care.. the red blinking message on bios when i set 1.65 for dram ?

[Andreezy]

Hey guys, so I put there a sound card in the lower slot, but windows did not find any card, only works in PCI-E 4x

why?

you have to put your 3 slot videocard on 2nd pci-e 16x slot and put the sound card above the videocard, this will also allow the fans to have more open
airflow.

shouldnt be an issue i have an msi big bang and it brings a pcie sound card
which can only be installed in slot (1) and then video--->video well you get the point.

[Andreezy]

You should be able to tell what kind of vcore you'll need for 4.5 GHz by looking at what your CPU needs for various lower speeds. It will scale pretty much linearly until a certain point where it will become less linear. You can work out how many mv you need per 100MHz increase, and work out what the CPU would need at higher speeds if scaling was linear.

DDR3-2000MHz ram is nice, but honestly quite unnecessary for daily use. If you compared normal tasks and time taken or FPS in your games, you'd see barely any difference between something like DDR3-1600 C6, DDR3-1800 C7 or DDR3-2000 C8. Even DDR3-2000 C7 is barely noticeable for normal use IMO and not worth the extra stress on the system.

i pretty much have worked out a formula for bloomfield/gulftown using as base
200blck and multi of 21 based on the cpu i had, so far the best is a
i7 950 it did 4.2Ghz @ only 1.28v, this i7 970 does 4.2Ghz @ 1.34v
on a side note, i never had 2000mhz ram stable @ such low qpi v
like i have now with this i7 gulftown.
how much a 12GB 1600mhz Cas 6/7 cost compare to a 190usd 2000mhz 12GB kit for gulftown, i think its good bang for buck.
that gets my thumbs up anyday.

[Sanousie]

You should be able to tell what kind of vcore you'll need for 4.5 GHz by looking at what your CPU needs for various lower speeds. It will scale pretty much linearly until a certain point where it will become less linear. You can work out how many mv you need per 100MHz increase, and work out what the CPU would need at higher speeds if scaling was linear.

DDR3-2000MHz ram is nice, but honestly quite unnecessary for daily use. If you compared normal tasks and time taken or FPS in your games, you'd see barely any difference between something like DDR3-1600 C6, DDR3-1800 C7 or DDR3-2000 C8. Even DDR3-2000 C7 is barely noticeable for normal use IMO and not worth the extra stress on the system.

I agree and disagree on this, with only online gaming, 2000mhz C7 is everything, especially with BC2, the Min and Max fps in the game are 10 - 20 fps different compared to running 1600mhz c6, The uncore plays a big role.

But at the end of the day, its only a 10 - 15 fps difference, might not make a difference for others, but some people can process alot more visual data than others, and im sure it would make a difference for them, Its like people saying that they cannot notice the difference between 60 hz monitor and 120hz, they just cant process the visual data needed to notice the difference between them, so they appear the same.

[Maxpayne]

guys, now sound card works in the last slot, I had in R3E off last slot pci-e x16 thanks

[p3gaz_001]

an audio card in the red slot? is that right?

[CryptiK]

I agree and disagree on this, with only online gaming, 2000mhz C7 is everything, especially with BC2, the Min and Max fps in the game are 10 - 20 fps different compared to running 1600mhz c6, The uncore plays a big role.

But at the end of the day, its only a 10 - 15 fps difference, might not make a difference for others, but some people can process alot more visual data than others, and im sure it would make a difference for them, Its like people saying that they cannot notice the difference between 60 hz monitor and 120hz, they just cant process the visual data needed to notice the difference between them, so they appear the same.

What card are you using? There may be a FPS difference on your PC (I haven't checked with this particular setup but i doubt it would be that large a difference with my settings), but I find with an overclocked GTX580 my FPS are good enough to have perfectly smooth gameplay. The is with 4GHz CPU and 3600MHz uncore / DDR3-1600 6-6-6-18 1T. Sure I could boost it all up, but when I'm having plenty of fun as it is, I see no need to, it's not like it's a competition and every nanosecond counts. The server and ping would have a much greater effect on your gameplay.

an audio card in the red slot? is that right?

If its a full length PCI-E audio card, that's where it goes

[Andreezy]

So i had time to do some benching today and i was able to get 3dMark Vantage runs @ 4.5Ghz
I also gave the old LinX a run for its money and i lossed today
my i7 970 chip will not do 4.5Ghz with cpu vcore @ 1.46v