Japan quakes

[[XC] gomeler]

Russian nuclear experts have arrived. They will save us.

I imagine the Russian's were sitting there thinking "ah, this is going to remind everyone of Chernobyl ".

That whas local, the people that lived there where duped, not the whole globe. No matter how empatic people can be, it makes a different impression on the collective conscious.

Fine. Let's just go with oil. I don't think I need to list the dozens of gigantic oil spills we have created due to our underestimation of our surroundings.

Besides there is hardly a connection between leaking levees and leaking nuclear cores.

You previously said "In fact I have the distinct feeling this event will go as first textbook example of catastrophic failure due to catastrophic overconfidence of mankinds technological domination over the sum of dynamics also called planet blue aka earth."

Um, yes. In this context there is a connection between these two situations. Both cases were brought upon by a natural disaster(hurricane and tsunami) in which we had built something (a city and a nuclear reactor) in the path of the disaster. If the reactor had been built a couple of miles inland were the tsunami couldn't have destroyed the generators we wouldn't have a cooling problem on our hands. We, humans, made a mistake. Whoops. Let's learn from this.

Tsjernobyl was sort of globaly threatening, but was easy to point fingers to russian caricatural incompetence and lack of care (at that time).

Of course it was. The reactor design was HEAVILY flawed. Just like it is very easy to point fingers

Today we consider Japan a very high tech , very disciplined and competent society that do seems to care very much, and are considered experts in dealing with quakes and their surrounding fenomena like tsunamis. But still the safety margins and standards where not high enough because something of this magnitude didden't happen in one honderd+ something years.

Exactly. Unlike Chernobyl where human tinkering caused a catastrophe, Fukushima had a once in a century disaster occur at just the right place for this to happen. I bet if(hopefully) Japan goes on to build some 3rd generator or 4th generator reactors(with even more safety mechanisms) that they will include even higher safety tolerances. The best part is that it seems that the earthquake itself didn't do much damage. It was the subsequent wall of water that mucked everything up.

When playing with this kind of destructif power , you look at the real data of what can happen and make honest calculations, then you ad the safety margins, then you look at the pricetag and decide to go for it or not.

But if you gamble , i call it typical humans catastrophic overconfidence.

And all around the globe people are glued in awe to the news wondering and praying , not only for the direct victims off this horror, but also how it will affect them in the end.

Not locally, globally. Collective conscious.

I'm am pretty sure the negotiations are much more serious now with way more deeper arguments than they ever where. Hence the first.

I guess we'll continue to disagree. Yes, it is a catastrophe, but in the end this isn't going to have world changing effects globally. We'll continue to use nuclear power in aging reactors, the public will continue to be paranoid of nuclear power, the nuclear power industry will still have cover ups and things will continue to move along. I'd love to see more effort put in place to roll out the creation of more modern reactors(thorium breeders!) and the phasing out of these old reactors.

EDIT: it is in no way my intention to put blame or shame on the Japanese people for this, i wisch them all the courage they need and will do my thing to help.

It is more an observation of the general human ways and where it leads to time and time again.

Out of respect for the people suffering now, i will not make any more responses in this thread about this to people that want to discuss this with me . But i strongly disagree with the semi-hidden pro-nuclear messages ive seen here. Thats what made me respond in the first place.[/QUOTE]