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[OC Nub]

Yes I do use level 1 as std drop/droops 0.1v too much imo.

No not the increase/spike from unload to load.

Level 1 overvolts a bit & compounded by the overvolt from the bios setting looks bad i.e set 1.335 get 1.356 in windows 1.38 under load .045 increase this should be better/less & simply put GB should at least re hash the numbers in bios to match windows. Not easy maybe but other boards I have used can get it right.... sometimes with several goes & on one a DFI, they even put a user adjustable value in bios to correct it.

Level 1 vcore set normal with or without dvid you get even more overvolt under load compounded even more the more vcore you add as some chips need 1.35 / 1.45 even 1.55 to do 5G.

Level 2..... forget it it spikes so much the rig reboots under load!!

Are you testing with a DMM, or going by cpuz or et6? The UD7 doesnt over volt using LLC1, but that is going by et6 and cpuz. I havent tested using a DMM.

[C-N]

Are you testing with a DMM, or going by cpuz or et6? The UD7 doesnt over volt using LLC1, but that is going by et6 and cpuz. I havent tested using a DMM.

I have & wasnt sure about the reading, I went off one of the core chokes as Sin did & I got somewhere like .035 more on the DMM than set in bios at idle.

Anyway for the values I just mentioned they were from ET/CPU-Z which read the same for me.

So you are saying the UD7 you get what you set in bios in ET/CPU-Z under load with level 1?

[sin0822]

here is the thing with that Vread point, its that it doesn't go through the capcitators, there is a voltage read point on the back of the board, but its on the back of the socket, that one is good for a O-Scope reading and shoudl be the same as the choke one with a DMM. There is another one where the error correction for e the PWM is, but that one you don't want to try to hit, its very hard to hit a pin/resistor nexto or on the PWM.

I found with prior BIOSes that LLC1 drops like 20mv under load from what you set so its pretty good. What I will do is do some more testing, but the choke is pretty good, and easy to hit while the PC is on.

I will do some testing tonight becuase I have time. CN what is the new BIOS you used for the LLC testiong?

Even with older BIOSes Vcore was read low/high with cpu-z i forget which is was about a 20mv difference though from the real voltage.

[C-N]

here is the thing with that Vread point, its that it doesn't go through the capcitators, there is a voltage read point on the back of the board, but its on the back of the socket, that one is good for a O-Scope reading and shoudl be the same as the choke one with a DMM. There is another one where the error correction for e the PWM is, but that one you don't want to try to hit, its very hard to hit a pin/resistor nexto or on the PWM.

I found with prior BIOSes that LLC1 drops like 20mv under load from what you set so its pretty good. What I will do is do some more testing, but the choke is pretty good, and easy to hit while the PC is on.

I will do some testing tonight becuase I have time. CN what is the new BIOS you used for the LLC testiong?

Even with older BIOSes Vcore was read low/high with cpu-z i forget which is was about a 20mv difference though from the real voltage.

I would appreciate it

On the UD5 All bios's are the same that I have noticed anyway, but my above examples were on F6d. The .02 dif between bios set & windows should be an easy fix the other .025 on top of the .02 dif is a bit much but increases even more if you use normal vcore + dvid this is the biggest problem imo.

Whilst we are on the subject of voltages could you DMM your CPU PLL read point & check that against what you have set. I am getting 3.34v at your read point on the UD5 & the layout/components look the same so dont think its the right point or its dif on UD5.

[OC Nub]

I have & wasnt sure about the reading, I went off one of the core chokes as Sin did & I got somewhere like .035 more on the DMM than set in bios at idle.

Anyway for the values I just mentioned they were from ET/CPU-Z which read the same for me.

So you are saying the UD7 you get what you set in bios in ET/CPU-Z under load with level 1?

I have 1.390v set in bios, idle in cpuz and et6 it reads 1.380, load will drop to 1.56v using LLC1.

I miss the easy read points that the EVGA and MSI boards have.

[C-N]

I have 1.390v set in bios, idle in cpuz and et6 it reads 1.380, load will drop to 1.56v using LLC1.

I miss the easy read points that the EVGA and MSI boards have.

load 1.36??

That's what I'd expect Level 1 to do from my experience with other boards the first load line 1/2's intel droop the 2nd eliminates it if not a tiny bit under or over.

Have you tried vid to normal & add voltage dvid to get 1.38 in windows then put it under load? Looks like power saving will work ok level 1 on the UD7 as its not over shooting voltage like the 5.

The read points aren't a problem really as you only got to check then once against software.

[andressergio]

I'm a huge gamer, sounds like memory or cpu too low on volts...

thanks mate no i tried before on other mobos not on X58 not on this, i will try again so u using CE1 and EIST and game a lot ?

[andressergio]

Exactly Sergio, get it nice & stable then switch it on. I have always used the power saving features & never had any issues at all provided it works properly in the first place. I'm not saying its not working on the UD5 but the voltage spikes too high under load with Level 1 & its useless with std due to the drop & droop. The voltage spikes higher than Level 1 does with a set vcore & IMO Level 1 overvolts too much anyway so any way I look at it, it aint good.

thanks mate i was afraid to set it as you load msn and goes 4800 then rests and go low and all that changes on volts im afraid of

[OC Nub]

load 1.36??

That's what I'd expect Level 1 to do from my experience with other boards the first load line 1/2's intel droop the 2nd eliminates it if not a tiny bit under or over.

Have you tried vid to normal & add voltage dvid to get 1.38 in windows then put it under load? Looks like power saving will work ok level 1 on the UD7 as its not over shooting voltage like the 5.

The read points aren't a problem really as you only got to check then once against software.

I havent tried using dvid, had always used LLC1/LLC 50%. Looking at that video from Dinos22 on YouTube his UD5 also over volts a little using LLC1.

[GLENBOY]

dinos stated that easy tune didn't work in xp to adjust bclk just tried with latest intel management soft installed and you can adjust bclk in xp no help to me as i hit the frequency wall with mine at 5388 only needs 1.5volt but won't post even at 5mhz higher even though i can do 3d06 at 5388

[dinos22]

it works i just didnt know about management software requirement at the time matey

[GLENBOY]

yeh dinos they are weird these sandies eh, i still can't get my head round how i can do 3d06 at 5388 but can't even post at 5mhz higher and when i try to adjust bclk in etune at the speed just freezes , ok at lower cpu clock its just a solid wall, not like on others where you could do 06 at a certain frequency then 05 03 a boit higher aqua a bit higher and 01 the sup pi 1meg a bit higher its just a solid wall

[the_real_7]

Level 2..... forget it it spikes so much the rig reboots under load!!

c-n your right about that one for sure I had to get a lesson from OC NUB on this now my rigs run higher voltage on llc1 but lower loads im set at 1.430 now and on load i droop to a 1.392 . . . but i never have boot problems no more

I have 1.390v set in bios, idle in cpuz and et6 it reads 1.380, load will drop to 1.56v using LLC1.

Oc nub i think voltages are pretty much on point since we all have about the same voltage droop at llc1

[sin0822]

load 1.36??

That's what I'd expect Level 1 to do from my experience with other boards the first load line 1/2's intel droop the 2nd eliminates it if not a tiny bit under or over.

Have you tried vid to normal & add voltage dvid to get 1.38 in windows then put it under load? Looks like power saving will work ok level 1 on the UD7 as its not over shooting voltage like the 5.

The read points aren't a problem really as you only got to check then once against software.

yes sorry that pic has a mistake for CPU pLL, its the leg of that MOSFET that is next to the capacitor

[Nostromo]

finally got around to installing second 480gtx, and now with a 480 in slots 1 and 3 and a raid card in slot 4 it shows one of my gtx's running in 8x.
the gtx480's each appear to have a different bios. one is a galaxy, one is EVGA.

[sin0822]

no that is correct. One will run at 16x the other at 8x. There are only 32x PCI-E lanes, so when you put a third device into a PCI-E 8x slot you take away 8x from one 16x slot.

[Nostromo]

lol, and all this time i thought it was 16-16-8 Oh well.
I wasnt worried about one of the gpu's at 8 for now, but had planned to go quad, (two dual gpu cards), and then 16 would be needed.

Can I still run something in the PCIE x1 slot? I got an extender coming.
I'm guessing no since that would be 33 lanes?

[TheHardCase]

I run 24/7 @ 5.0MHz info as follows, if I run LL1 in bios from 1.48v - 1.54v overclock will fail.
What I'm saying is BSOD in windows & or bios not loading, reboot fails all the time.

If I run LL2 with 1.48v set in bios, when I get into windows it reads 1.50v & underload 1.52v but it's 100% stable.
LL2 works great for me, hope this helps...

[andressergio]

Exactly Sergio, get it nice & stable then switch it on. I have always used the power saving features & never had any issues at all provided it works properly in the first place. I'm not saying its not working on the UD5 but the voltage spikes too high under load with Level 1 & its useless with std due to the drop & droop. The voltage spikes higher than Level 1 does with a set vcore & IMO Level 1 overvolts too much anyway so any way I look at it, it aint good.

C_N i enabled CE1 / C2 etc and EIST but my vcore remains the same only speed and multy changes

[the_real_7]

C_N i enabled CE1 / C2 etc and EIST but my vcore remains the same only speed and multy changes

sergio hows this working , i would like to also try power savings be nice as i stream to my tvs around the house

[PatRaceTin]

Wha my cpu may be degrade..... i previous bench 5.4 @ VCore 1.60 . . . . .. . now 5.4@ 1.63 not stable

[Falkentyne]

Is that 1.60 LOAD voltage of 1.60 BIOS voltage? What was the voltage at load/droop?

Because if that's 1.60 at LOAD, then no wonder that cpu degraded. Everyone has been warning about degradation at such high voltages...you haven't seen the notices about that?

Even Sin and C-N have seen degradation at voltages like that.
1.60v was considered dangerously high (if not on sub-zero) even for a 65nm...

What were you benching at 1.60 (programs?)
How long did you bench in total (estimated total time the CPU was running at 1.60v?)
Were you running Prime 95 or linpack at those voltages?

This information may help others avoid that mistake....

[C-N]

C_N i enabled CE1 / C2 etc and EIST but my vcore remains the same only speed and multy changes

sergio hows this working , i would like to also try power savings be nice as i stream to my tvs around the house

You have to set vcore to normal & add voltage using dvid... e.g if you need say 1.3v under load & your vid/normal is 1.2 you need to add .1 using dvid.

Be a little careful with setting these voltages UD7 looks better then 5 but I get more of a voltage overshoot under load than I do just setting vcore & level1... also vid moves about depending on core speed so not always 1.2v & its this I am moaning about on UD5....

Edit....

Thanks Sin that mos leg was right & measures .03 more than set in bios so well worth checking.

[andressergio]

You have to set vcore to normal & add voltage using dvid... e.g if you need say 1.3v under load & your vid/normal is 1.2 you need to add .1 using dvid.

Be a little careful with setting these voltages UD7 looks better then 5 but I get more of a voltage overshoot under load than I do just setting vcore & level1... also vid moves about depending on core speed so not always 1.2v & its this I am moaning about on UD5....

Edit....

Thanks Sin that mos leg was right & measures .03 more than set in bios so well worth checking.

thanks bud either way when CPU and multi went down on idle temps went to 30C and 29C lol so seems fine

**edit the BE CAREFUL is right i put the wrong value and for my calcs must have gave 2volts lol its blocked had to reset CMOS but CPU is alive damn

[jackbrennan2008]

Seeing as there have been a few BIOS floating around lately what BIOS have people found to be the msot stable. At the moment the F7 BIOS is by far the most stable i have tested.

Unfortunatly it doesn't allow PLL overvolting, but i'm only running 4.5Ghz 24/7 so it doesn't matter.

Is f7e still the best overclocking BIOS?