Bulldoze that Sandy Bridge

[JF-AMD]

Sorry JF, i of course meant shanghai/deneb.
I learn something every day here .
So one more question, when similar (almost identical) chips share some of the layers,but not all.They get different steppings ?
Which would mean, that IF cpus have the same stepping/revision/node/family thats when theyre identical for sure ?
That seems to be the case.Which means many (not all) opterons share the same dies with many (not all) desktop cpus.
And that would mean that its not that desktop cpus (with same die) dont have the extra HT links, but that theyre inactive and same goes for any other functionality differences.
Of course athlons and other segment dedicated cpus dont have to follow that rule.

Now it gets into the area that I prefer not to discuss because the conversation could hit the edges of areas I am not allowed to talk about.

[RaV666]

Now it gets into the area that I prefer not to discuss because the conversation could hit the edges of areas I am not allowed to talk about.

Thanks for your sincerity, i appreciate that.

[zir_blazer]

Now it gets into the area that I prefer not to discuss because the conversation could hit the edges of areas I am not allowed to talk about.

This explain why I sometimes don't get concreted answers from you about these topics

[Kobaltrock]

I don't understand AMD's logic at all, why not release AM3+ boards now, this will generate revenue for both AMD + mobo partners, and this will allow all the fence sitters waiting for BD to purchase a AM3+ board (and maybe even a CPU if they have a socket 7 / 939 rig) to tie them over until BD arrives...

If you go by what the local wholesale distributor says, they don't expect shipments until May. That is a ton of potential sales AMD could be generating, but instead they are bulldozing those fence sitters to intel's playground.

[haylui]

I don't understand AMD's logic at all, why not release AM3+ boards now, this will generate revenue for both AMD + mobo partners, and this will allow all the fence sitters waiting for BD to purchase a AM3+ board (and maybe even a CPU if they have a socket 7 / 939 rig) to tie them over until BD arrives...

If you go by what the local wholesale distributor says, they don't expect shipments until May. That is a ton of potential sales AMD could be generating, but instead they are bulldozing those fence sitters to intel's playground.

traditionally, AMD is not a weak chip maker but really not good in marketing and sales I believe.

[zalbard]

I don't understand AMD's logic at all, why not release AM3+ boards now, this will generate revenue for both AMD + mobo partners, and this will allow all the fence sitters waiting for BD to purchase a AM3+ board (and maybe even a CPU if they have a socket 7 / 939 rig) to tie them over until BD arrives...

If you go by what the local wholesale distributor says, they don't expect shipments until May. That is a ton of potential sales AMD could be generating, but instead they are bulldozing those fence sitters to intel's playground.

Maybe they are trying to get rid of old stock of boards.

[zoomee]

Maybe they are trying to get rid of old stock of boards.

Not what customers want to hear when they've just dropped £150+ on a Crosshair IV!!!! grrrrrrr

Out of principle I will be refusing to buy AM3+ no matter how good bulldozer is - waiting for AM4 or intel equivelant (if bulldozer doesnt live up to the hype).

[scorpidragon]

Not what customers want to hear when they've just dropped £150+ on a Crosshair IV!!!! grrrrrrr

Out of principle I will be refusing to buy AM3+ no matter how good bulldozer is - waiting for AM4 or intel equivelant (if bulldozer doesnt live up to the hype).

The socket will most likely be called FM4 as the AM name is being dumped by AMD. That socket better be bigger than 942 pins or it's not sale!
They (AMD) better make sure that BD has better memory bandwidth than the Phenom CPU, otherwise people will end up moving to Intel. So AMD get your act together or prepare to lose sales.
The memory bandwidth sucks as it is.

[Kobaltrock]

Maybe they are trying to get rid of old stock of boards.

I somehow doubt this, they would have stopped producing boards way before '11 swung around.

It could be a chipset issue of some kind though. End of May is a very long way away...

The socket will most likely be called FM4 as the AM name is being dumped by AMD. That socket better be bigger than 942 pins or it's not sale!
They (AMD) better make sure that BD has better memory bandwidth than the Phenom CPU, otherwise people will end up moving to Intel. So AMD get your act together or prepare to lose sales.
The memory bandwidth sucks as it is.

I am also wondering if AMD will have IOMMU on all chipsets, instead of only the fx series (990fx?). That, with increased memory bandwidth would be a killer.

Intel screwed up by not allowing VT-d on their 'k' series of CPUs, so I hope AMD enables this for all their line.