AMD Cayman info (or rumor)

[Solus Corvus]

Dimitriman, look at it this way. It is perfectly reasonable to be disappointed if they suck in trustworthy reviews. And we only have to wait a few days to see if that is the case or not.

We can look at these early leaks and think about the implications without getting emotionally worked up over it. Spending the next 4 days riding the emotional roller coaster won't change the product but will have an effect on you.

[Dimitriman]

Dimitriman, look at it this way. It is perfectly reasonable to be disappointed if they suck in trustworthy reviews. And we only have to wait a few days to see if that is the case or not.

We can look at these early leaks and think about the implications without getting emotionally worked up over it. Spending the next 4 days riding the emotional roller coaster won't change the product but will have an effect on you.

*walks to the store, buys seveteen chocolate bars, goes back home, sits and waits till dec 15th*

[Heinz68]

I don't understand why there is a need for so much negatives, gloom and doom about Cayman and AMD in this thread, most time from the same people always negative. Is it because the Cayman was over-hyped by few posters? Don't blame AMD for that.

It's a AMD thread so maybe we can pick some positives for example:
I don't think it's going to be paper launch as some of the Nvidia fanboys predicted.
I don't think the HD 6970 is going to be slower than GTX 570 as the FUD calculated and some fanboys were defending as real news.

Why not wait for the real reviews from few unbiased reviewers, usually not much good news come from some of the German sites.

According to rumors the Cayman is about 25% smaller die size, so AMD has the luxury to adjust the prices to reflect the performance if needed. For the majority of the buyers the performance value ratio is still most important even for most members on this forum.

Hopefully in January we will get the real AMD flagship card, the HD 6990.
For now, the last year HD 5970 is still the performance leader, so that's not too bad.
PS
I hope there is nothing wrong about being little positive about AMD in this thread.

[-=DVS=-]

Stop preaching your 5970 , not everyone cares or wants to deal with crossfire issues. And no its not a performance leader of single GPU segment.

[Solus Corvus]

According to rumors the Cayman is about 25% smaller die size, so AMD has the luxury to adjust the prices to reflect the performance if needed. For the majority of the buyers the performance value ratio is still most important even for most members on this forum.

I have serious doubts about the logic behind this 25% smaller die rumor. It sounds like people are just taking the difference between 5 shaders and 4 shaders without any other factors. It doesn't take into account increased "uncore" logic per SP, the fattening of the remaining shaders, and other non-SP changes like concurrent kernel execution and expanded tessellation units. As I said a long time ago, in a galaxy far far far away, I'd guess the architecture change is ambiguous or detrimental to die space per SP. The idea is to reduce idle execution units, which wastes power, not necessarily the overall size of the chip.

Stop preaching your 5970 , not everyone cares or wants to deal with crossfire issues. And no its not a performance leader of single GPU segment.

And I wish people would stop preaching to me about how horrible dual cards are. I like my 5970 just fine.

[bill_d]

Stop preaching your 5970 , not everyone cares or wants to deal with crossfire issues. And no its not a performance leader of single GPU segment.

i do
at 25x16 cf/sli is still a must

but so far it looks like i'll add a second 5970 insteed of two 6970's

[-=DVS=-]

Well to bad , but this is not 5970/6990(Antilles) thread , its 6970 a single GPU Cayman, no need to bring multi gpu debate here they don't compare to each other. Apples and Oranges don't mix.

[bill_d]

Well to bad , but this is not 5970/6990(Antilles) thread , its 6970 a single GPU Cayman, no need to bring multi gpu debate here they don't compare to each other. Apples and Oranges don't mix.

just says "AMD Cayman info"

and Antilles is just two Caymans

[-=DVS=-]

just says "AMD Cayman info"

and Antilles is just two Caymans

Well to bad , but this is not 5970/6990(Antilles) thread , its 6970 a single GPU Cayman, no need to bring multi gpu debate here they don't compare to each other. Apples and Oranges don't mix.

[Jaivan]

This thread needs more nerd RAGE!

[Heinz68]

Stop preaching your 5970 , not everyone cares or wants to deal with crossfire issues. And no its not a performance leader of single GPU segment.

Relax and get a life, it's about AMD HD 5970, wish it was mine. Most reviewers agree it is the fastest graphic card and people buy Graphic Cards not GPU. It's not any secret that AMD strategy since HD 3870 is to have smaller die size and dual GPU as flagship and it looks like since the HD 4*** series it's not too bad strategy for them.

Doesn't mean because I have HD 5970 in my signature I can't comment on it? Since it is my second dual card I probably know little more about it than you do plus I said, "is there something wrong about being little positive about AMD on this AMD thread?" I hope not but after your reply I'm not so sure about it.

If you bother to read most review, most agree that Crossfire is at least as good as SLI and off course having such on one card is big advantage.

[-=DVS=-]

I have a life thank you very much. And so far neither you or other trolls disputed fact that you don't compare A. 2xGPU to B. 1xGPU different product segments and claim A is fastest of AB segment. All you and other trolls did was go from my main point and introduce irrelevant stuff like

most agree that Crossfire is at least as good as SLI and off course having such on one card is big advantage.

I never compared SLI to Crossfire its the same thing and it is not the issue here.

Most reviewers agree it is the fastest graphic card

Hey i never said it is not fastest graphic card hell ya its fastest card but from different segment . "Most users" agree single GPU card is alot less of a hassle. And lets not start pulling random % out of our asses.

people buy Graphic Cards

You need to read some reviews your self , they explain how one Graphic Card differs from another. Clearly not everyone is blind and know about MGPU issues and SGPU advantages.

If you bother to read most review, most agree that Crossfire is at least as good as SLI and off course having such on one card is big advantage.

So you can make a distinction between two separate cards but not one with two or one GPU Single GPU card has as much advantage as single graphics card with MGPU over two separate ones.

It's not any secret that AMD strategy since HD 3870 is to have smaller die size and dual GPU as flagship and it looks like since the HD 4*** series it's not too bad strategy for them.

So now we went from "Graphic Card" discussions to company strategies speaking of witch "AMD promotes Cayman as the new R300 " here is your reason for AMD bashing. Why would you be positive and praise them for being so conservative.

[tifosi]

I have a life thank you very much. And so far neither you or other trolls disputed fact that you don't compare A. 2xGPU to B. 1xGPU different product segments and claim A is fastest of AB segment. All you and other trolls did was go from my main point and introduce irrelevant stuff like

Wow... i've seen some stuck up people... but you take the cake

If the 6970 performs better than GTX 480 (~110%) and is about 30-40% more expensive than $239 that the 6870 was launched at, i'm buying! A lot of people i know would too, and i'd wager a handsome sum to say that a lot of people globally would do the same. Just take a look at DX11 marketshare. It is mostly nvidia's flock (read sheep) which will have a problem admitting that this makes more sense, as it is cheaper, cooler and better value given the features like eyefinity and 7.1 96khz/24-bit audio over hdmi. Honestly, as a potential purchaser of 2 cards (for 2 systems) in THIS month... i'm rather keenly looking forward to the pricing of the 6970/6950/6870(may be a downward price review)... my is big enough! thank you :P no need for extra inches

Sincerely, i believe if AMD prices it closer to GTX 570, then Nvidia is fukked... cause Nvidia couldn't potentially drop prices a lot, with the given costs. I agree costs would have improved, but... it is still a BIG chip...

Also, it is what you can buy for your money which matters more me thinks... good on them those who bought 5970... it still is the fastest card out there... when launched for a little more than GTX480, it made good sense for those with the money to spend... It is still faster than the GTX580, so i don't see any downsides to having fastest card for about a year and then some :P similarly, the antilles will also be an exceptional value, given the CF scaling now.

[waway625]

Wow... i've seen some stuck up people... but you take the cake

If the 6970 performs better than GTX 480 (~110%) and is about 30-40% more expensive than $239 that the 6870 was launched at, i'm buying! A lot of people i know would too, and i'd wager a handsome sum to say that a lot of people globally would do the same. Just take a look at DX11 marketshare. It is mostly nvidia's flock (read sheep) which will have a problem admitting that this makes more sense, as it is cheaper, cooler and better value given the features like eyefinity and 7.1 96khz/24-bit audio over hdmi. Honestly, as a potential purchaser of 2 cards (for 2 systems) in THIS month... i'm rather keenly looking forward to the pricing of the 6970/6950/6870(may be a downward price review)... my is big enough! thank you :P no need for extra inches

Sincerely, i believe if AMD prices it closer to GTX 570, then Nvidia is fukked... cause Nvidia couldn't potentially drop prices a lot, with the given costs. I agree costs would have improved, but... it is still a BIG chip...

Also, it is what you can buy for your money which matters more me thinks... good on them those who bought 5970... it still is the fastest card out there... when launched for a little more than GTX480, it made good sense for those with the money to spend... It is still faster than the GTX580, so i don't see any downsides to having fastest card for about a year and then some :P similarly, the antilles will also be an exceptional value, given the CF scaling now.

No offense but that statement just sounded very fanboyish

[tifosi]

No offense but that statement just sounded very fanboyish

Well... we try and avoid the 'f' word :P Sincerely... i've been hearing all this malarkey about dual gpu vs single gpu... but if i get more for my money, why-ever would i complain? I'm an indian and we are notoriously stingy with our money... see 'red white and brown' by Russell Peters for more :P

You want to know... i'm currently using a 7900GS... kind dear admins, please don't ban me here at Xsystems Used 4870 for sometime... i'll simply buy whatever offers me more bang(read value) per buck. However, OT but, i don't support what Intel (No AMD/ less AMD, or compiler ) does, nor what Nvidia (TWIMTBP) does..

EDIT: For your benefit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdE2TEj38d0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6NoY...eature=related

[halfwaythere]

Honestly it looks like AMD is playing safe and it might bite them in the ass. They needed cards at least on par with what nvidia has to offer at this moment not expensive slow ones. And come January the GTX560 will come and pipi all over the 6870 and probably take a swing at Cayman Pro. I hope they are well underway with the 28nm transition because the 40nm second coming is a bit of a letdown.

[generics_user]

so much drama for a single user-test without any comparison to other cards is quite sad...

[Sn0wm@n]

LOLL i love the last couple of days before the end of the nda

[ichime]

If the 6970 can't walk on water, I will be very disappoint

That said, if the 6970 is indeed priced similarly to the GTX 580, it will have to outperform it. Just look at the 6800 series vs. the nVidia cards it was aimed at. Though the enthusiast market is smaller than the PC Gamer market, failure of the 6900 series to perform against their nVidia counterpart after having a significant leg-up on them in that sector could prove disastrous for AMD.

[TheBreezyBB]

3 more days and all this will be over.

[flopper]

amd aint doing dmg control, results are not accurate.

[Iconyu]

amd aint doing dmg control, results are not accurate.

If that switch is a TDP limiter, then I imagine reviewers will try both modes. The question is, does it need extra cooling to use it? Maybe the results are accurate, but not the full picture?

[STEvil]

Two suggestions:

Stop with the tags before you dig a hole.

Stop the personal insults.

[zerazax]

BTw, the Bulgarian site testing the 6950 said that it was 30-40% best case faster in >1680x1050 vs. the 6870 in games, and supposedly goes up with resolution/AA. The quote was later removed. 30-40% better is close to 570 territory.

If true, then where's the 6970 actually perform in game?

[flopper]

If that switch is a TDP limiter, then I imagine reviewers will try both modes. The question is, does it need extra cooling to use it? Maybe the results are accurate, but not the full picture?

either it is tdp or for bios or both.(might be tdp turn on in driver also)
amd seems to add a updated version of power tune to the new cards, so who knows if they even in current drivers have such activated at all.

3 days...