AMD Cayman info (or rumor)

[SKYMTL]

Intelligence and rational thought have truly left this thread.

I'm staying out of it from here on out since I have already treaded far too close to the NDA in an effort to calm the raging, out of control assumptions. I'd rather err on the side of caution rather than risk a relationship just to steer people towards some semblance of intelligent conversation.

[Solus Corvus]

Efforts to moderate expectations are always appreciated. Unfortunately this is the internet, you should realize the futility by now.

[tajoh111]

This is nothing new, when the did their 580 GTX review they had the 5970 in it which beat the 580GTX and they chose the 580GTX over the 5970 without even talking about the fact that people who already owned a 5970 would not want or need to change to the 580GTX. Their reviews are not the best anyways, they don't offer anything different (competitive advantage wise) than other review sites. What is worst is they don't like to test crossfire or SLI much, but when they do they prefer to do SLI. They are pretty much a Nvidia mouth piece kind of site.

Such a change in tone after what you said in this post.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...8&postcount=78

"I find it funny how you backtrack on the 5970 in your review, but I understand why you did that. All cards at launch suck at performance compared to after being out a year. Nvidia always boosts their cards with driver updates. I would liked to see you guys do a SLI review in a few days other sites are showing almost a 2x boost from the standard 580.. Back to the 5970, most users that have these are not going to be attracted to the 580GTX in single gpu form and I wish you would have talked about that. I do commend you though on using the latest drivers for the ATI products though All in all I like your review more than any of the others, that includes Anandtech and Guru3d's reviews. I also like the folding comparison that you did between the 480 and 580.

I think people should take into fact that all the dual gpu cards minus the Asus one all use a 8pin and 6pin connectors just like the single gpu cards do. According the benchmarks the 5970 is still the single card king. "

Myself included, this thread has got us slightly too emotionally involved with these cards. We are lashing out at each other, changing our thoughts to get a point across and honestly nothing productive is being said because AMD is good a keeping secrets.

I recommend we close this thread because it has become a place where we just attack each other. AMD is too good a keeping things from leaking so any rumor is going to just going to start the trolling.

[tbone8ty]

Yeah hardwarecanucks always does a great job with there reviews.

Edit: their in the top tier when I check reviews and always going above and beyond many review sites.

[RSC]

Intelligence and rational thought have truly left this thread.

I'm staying out of it from here on out since I have already treaded far too close to the NDA in an effort to calm the raging, out of control assumptions. I'd rather err on the side of caution rather than risk a relationship just to steer people towards some semblance of intelligent conversation.

Keep up the good work. And remember what Sting said: it takes a Man to suffer ignorance and smile.

[zerazax]

i think locking this thread til release in one week wouldn't hurt

[JkS]

i think locking this thread til release in one week wouldn't hurt

But the last week of the AMD NDA is when the juicy bits start slipping out!

[kadozer]

But the last week of the AMD NDA is when the juicy bits start slipping out!

coincidentally; when the ban hammer gets overused as well.

[generics_user]

i have to agree that this thread is completely off topic by now as discussion about relative performance of current hardware, test methods and more doesn't belong here
everyone has his own opinion about these things and while you can talk alot about these things they don't change the overall picture at all

but closing it would be a waste as it's a great place to look for newest information and better than a new thread for every single bit of rumor out there

[zerazax]

coincidentally; when the ban hammer gets overused as well.

I bet more people get banned within 2 weeks of a card launch than any other time

[bill_d]

powercolor LCS HD6?70

http://www.powercolor.com/event/2010best/index.asp

just shows waterblock dodn't look like a 6870 block

maybe this time they will have stock of the LCS's

[Lanek]

Intelligence and rational thought have truly left this thread.

I'm staying out of it from here on out since I have already treaded far too close to the NDA in an effort to calm the raging, out of control assumptions. I'd rather err on the side of caution rather than risk a relationship just to steer people towards some semblance of intelligent conversation.

need agree with you, i don't know what have happend on the last pages ...

things are going strong on the bad sides ..... stay calm down guys before we get real performance numbers....

Now they should know why peoples who lead sites and do reviews never goes normally post in this type of threads ... seriously i don't see why it turns on attack his review..

[safan80]

Myself included, this thread has got us slightly too emotionally involved with these cards. We are lashing out at each other, changing our thoughts to get a point across and honestly nothing productive is being said because AMD is good a keeping secrets.

I recommend we close this thread because it has become a place where we just attack each other. AMD is too good a keeping things from leaking so any rumor is going to just going to start the trolling.

My comments about that review was based solely on the GTX 580 non SLI reviews and do not apply to his claim of driver performance that was recently made, which smells like fanboyism. He just complaining because he can't handle criticism. The change in tone has come from the most part of sites not thoroughly testing 2560x1600, 1920x1200, and focusing on 1080p, It is a step backwards in my opinion. I done quite a bit of research lately, I believe that web site stats of resolutions are something to go on. They should focus on monitors sales, a lot of people have purchased the 3011U Dell monitor that have not used a 30" monitor before. A good question that hardware reviewers should ask themselves is not many of these monitors have actually sold, if possible get the numbers for manufactures and retailers. Gaming sites use stats of games that have been sold to gauge which games they should review. When it comes to intelligence and rational thought, that has left most review sites with the release of the Nvidia 5XX series and their testing methodologies.

If the thread should of been closed, it should of been back when the delay of Cayman was announced. If they were to close the thread now people would just make a new thread for every rumor that comes out and so leaving it open with only 5 days left is the better course of action. Once the reviews are out this thread will die on it's own.

[cegras]

Oh? I have have yet to see a review where AMD's cards don't take a massive hit when AA is enabled. It's an architectural limitation which AMD will likely resolve with upcoming products.


As for the results, I am 100% confident in saying that on average with the latest WHQL drivers, HD 5870 is at least 30% slower at 1920 x 1200 4xAA than the GTX 480 in newer games. I'd even venture that this carries over into quite a few DX9 games as well but it won't show up on charts simply due to CPU bottlenecks artificially impacting the scores.

To me, DX11 and to a lesser extent DX10 really is all that matters in terms of performance when testing $150 and above GPUs. Even a lowly GTS 450 has no issue pushing out 60 FPS+ in the current crop of DX9 games at 1920 x 1200.

Didn't HardOCP do a piece a looong time ago where the 4870X2 would give you 'free' next levels of AA? I think this was CFAA though, so probably not relevant.

[tajoh111]

My comments about that review was based solely on the GTX 580 non SLI reviews and do not apply to his claim of driver performance that was recently made, which smells like fanboyism. He just complaining because he can't handle criticism. The change in tone has come from the most part of sites not thoroughly testing 2560x1600, 1920x1200, and focusing on 1080p, It is a step backwards in my opinion. I done quite a bit of research lately, I believe that web site stats of resolutions are something to go on. They should focus on monitors sales, a lot of people have purchased the 3011U Dell monitor that have not used a 30" monitor before. A good question that hardware reviewers should ask themselves is not many of these monitors have actually sold, if possible get the numbers for manufactures and retailers. Gaming sites use stats of games that have been sold to gauge which games they should review. When it comes to intelligence and rational thought, that has left most review sites with the release of the Nvidia 5XX series and their testing methodologies.

If the thread should of been closed, it should of been back when the delay of Cayman was announced. If they were to close the thread now people would just make a new thread for every rumor that comes out and so leaving it open with only 5 days left is the better course of action. Once the reviews are out this thread will die on it's own.

Monstru did a hardware survey on his website(which is biased towards high end hardware survey) I remember and steam hardware survey showed it was less than 1 percent, which I believe they showed you already. Thats alot of work for that less than 1 percent.

Considering how slowly some great graphics cards in the 300 dollar range take to pick up market share. I highly doubt the u3011 is going to change anything. Its a rare niche. I see alot of gamers buy 3000 dollar rigs but get 300 dollar monitors. The u3011(1200-1100 on sale) when its not on sale is 1500 dollars and that's alot harder pill to swallow than a 500 dollar graphics card.

I sat in front of a 30" monitor before and honestly, it took some getting used to. I felt it was too big and it was uncomfortable to have a screen cover alot of my peripheral. That not the case for you, but I imagine a lot of people can share the same sentiment, atleast initially.

30" inch displays are a dying breed left for the professional market. The same is somewhat happening to 1920*1200, but its not as bad.

Want proof?

http://www.samsung.com/ca/consumer/o...ype=subtype_p2

http://www.lg.com/ca_en/computer-pro...tors/index.jsp

http://us.acer.com/acer/product.do?l...CRC=2759084358

Lg and samsung don't make 30" monitors anymore. They both used to but they probably didn't get enough sales so they discontinued them and never replaced them. Both these guys are collectively number 1 and 2 for electronics companies in the world. Acer pretty up there for computer sales and they don't sell them either.

I think it would be good to keep it closed and put a no talking about rumors rule would be good until 2 days before release because usually AMD rumors start getting more valid ala Barts. 5 days is alot of time for a lot of hating to occur. The fact that this forum has gained 5 pages in the last 24 hours or so shows that.

[Zoran]

While I agree that 30" monitors are not too common - mainly because of the price premium - it has to be said that it is very representative of the eyefinity/nVsurround performance - because of the higher resolution - so it is relevant. It's a shame that no-one really does reviews with three monitors even though it is supported by both sides now. So, maybe it would be nice to have reviews with three screens as they cost considerably less than a single 30" screen. 2x 6870 or GTX460 + 3*24" is less $$$ than a gtx580 + 30"...

[tajoh111]

While I agree that 30" monitors are not too common - mainly because of the price premium - it has to be said that it is very representative of the eyefinity/nVsurround performance - because of the higher resolution - so it is relevant. It's a shame that no-one really does reviews with three monitors even though it is supported by both sides now. So, maybe it would be nice to have reviews with three screens as they cost considerably less than a single 30" screen. 2x 6870 or GTX460 + 3*24" is less $$$ than a gtx580 + 30"...

Sort of, but eyefinity reviews have specific needs that can't be addressed by a big monitor. That is driver issues tests. Eyefinity or 3d surround vision isn't close to bug free and they need reviews to specifically test for it.

[RaZz!]

Sort of, but eyefinity reviews have specific needs that can't be addressed by a big monitor. That is driver issues tests. Eyefinity or 3d surround vision isn't close to bug free and they need reviews to specifically test for it.

idd. and there's another important difference between a big monitor and an eyefinity setup: fov.

a big monitor will have the same fov as a smaller one. for an eyfinity setup on the other hand a much higher fov is needed and therefore the amount of rendered objects etc. is very different. i'd say this impacts the performance even more than a higher resolution does.

[zerazax]

idd. and there's another important difference between a big monitor and an eyefinity setup: fov.

a big monitor will have the same fov as a smaller one. for an eyfinity setup on the other hand a much higher fov is needed and therefore the amount of rendered objects etc. is very different. i'd say this impacts the performance even more than a higher resolution does.

Depends. It's definitely true though for FPS where they support wider FOV... being able to see someone peripherally can be a huge difference

[Zoran]

Depends. It's definitely true though for FPS where they support wider FOV... being able to see someone peripherally can be a huge difference

That's exactly what I meant... The most important part of it is whether or not you can achieve playable framerates. Plus if they discover issues with compatibility it gets bigger visibility and there is a higher possibility of a fix incoming then if you find out at home after purchasing the not-so-cheap setup. And if everything works fine more people are tempted to purchase.

[jvc]

I can confirm for this launch that it will be a hard launch, we have unreal amounts of stocks, enough to last us throughout XMAS and January, not only that the price will make people very happy for the performance these cards will bring to the table with fantastic availability. Posted by Gibbo @ OCuK.

Also: Only OcUK has stock right now, others have not even had stock shipped to them yet, all I can say is OcUK will have more and our price will be very competitive, think back to how good the 58xx launch was and how surprisingly cheap they were at launch. The 69xx series shall repeat this, so do be warned after launch prices could creep up, thats just a heads up.

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/sho...3&postcount=32

[kuroikenshi]

hell yeah

[SpuTnicK]

As lucky owners of HD6950 cards say it is 275mm long and has two CFX headers!

[s1nykuL]

I can confirm for this launch that it will be a hard launch, we have unreal amounts of stocks, enough to last us throughout XMAS and January, not only that the price will make people very happy for the performance these cards will bring to the table with fantastic availability. Posted by Gibbo @ OCuK.

Also: Only OcUK has stock right now, others have not even had stock shipped to them yet, all I can say is OcUK will have more and our price will be very competitive, think back to how good the 58xx launch was and how surprisingly cheap they were at launch. The 69xx series shall repeat this, so do be warned after launch prices could creep up, thats just a heads up.

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/sho...3&postcount=32

Having bought many products from OCUK and as much as I respect OCUK for very reasonable prices on products that are readily available from other on-line stores...

[Chrono Detector]

I just wish this stupid NDA would end so we can all know the results of ATI's 69xx.