AMD Cayman info (or rumor)

[tbone8ty]

580 discussion i believe is a couple threads below this one.

this is a cayman/antilles rumors thread

Yes, you heard it right, some AIBs have Cayman chips now, and if everything else holds true to form, they should be on the store shelves across the world in 2-4 weeks. The kits come with a Cayman and some 6Ghz GDDR5, so the memory clocks will end up between 5.5-6GHz.

http://www.semiaccurate.com/2010/11/...ips-turn-wild/

so thats between 1375-1500mhz right? wow

[Chrono Detector]

We need specs, how come if the launch of 69xx is so close ATI/AMD hasn't even released any speculation or information on the specs? They are doing a pretty good job at keeping everybody in the dark.

[zerazax]

We need specs, how come if the launch of 69xx is so close ATI/AMD hasn't even released any speculation or information on the specs? They are doing a pretty good job at keeping everybody in the dark.

See: Barts, RV770, etc.

They're really good at keeping things secret

[spursindonesia]

my prediction on the GTX 580 is late march early april

My prediction:

November: paper launched, reviewer edition
December: very limited availability for christmas shopping spree appereance
January: trickling yet still limited availability
February: good availability

Basically it will be ~2 months behind in good market availability compared to Cayman boards, December vs February.

We need specs, how come if the launch of 69xx is so close ATI/AMD hasn't even released any speculation or information on the specs? They are doing a pretty good job at keeping everybody in the dark.

Their secrecy keeping deserves an award i guess, simply mind boggling.

[SKYMTL]

Their secrecy keeping deserves an award i guess, simply mind boggling.

From my understanding, they finally tracked down a number of their leaks.

[necronomicon]

http://www.inpai.com.cn/doc/hard/137168.htm

[Nintendork]

See: Barts, RV770, etc.

They're really good at keeping things secret

Exactly:

2 Days before HD4000 official unveil
Rumour: 480SP (doomed card, nvidia will masacrate "Ati")

Official unveil
800SP

[zerazax]

http://www.inpai.com.cn/doc/hard/137168.htm

Can't really understand what page 2 is saying, but it seems like the change to 4D is confirmed

Bad translation also:

"From a risk management point of view , the new framework for the development of the face of GPU core when the size and schedule are very dangerous. If the core size is too large, then it may affect future plans. So the new structure is more in the high-end GPU for fever. "

Basically, Cayman is a new architecture compared to Barts which is mostly similar to Cypress...

This is getting interesting

[kuroikenshi]

Can't really understand what page 2 is saying, but it seems like the change to 4D is confirmed

Bad translation also:


Basically, Cayman is a new architecture compared to Barts which is mostly similar to Cypress...

This is getting interesting

also... wow at document, phenomenal presentation, also we can see how their long term marketing strategy plan is falling into place with the technology being implemented, where there wont be any medium to low end GPU's only performance level up, the rest, will be fusion.

Reason for this is that they are either very confident on pre-agreed contracts for OEM manufacturers to build fusion systems (including discrete graphics within the APU, or they're just plain nuts which I don't think is the case to be at all.

The insight and strategic planning from the red team seems to be highly cohesive, and much more comprehensive that the green team's.

The advantages for the red team is that they also run a cpu business, and can allow for dual/combined strategies within different market segments.

This might hopefully make both companies to concentrate on being more competitive (price wise) in the top end graphics segment, and therefore drive prices somewhat lower...

Another eventuality which I do not believe will take place is for Nvidia to lose interest on the high end market, and only focus on commercial and low end graphics...

[tajoh111]

also... wow at document, phenomenal presentation, also we can see how their long term marketing strategy plan is falling into place with the technology being implemented, where there wont be any medium to low end GPU's only performance level up, the rest, will be fusion.

Reason for this is that they are either very confident on pre-agreed contracts for OEM manufacturers to build fusion systems (including discrete graphics within the APU, or they're just plain nuts which I don't think is the case to be at all.

The insight and strategic planning from the red team seems to be highly cohesive, and much more comprehensive that the green team's.

The advantages for the red team is that they also run a cpu business, and can allow for dual/combined strategies within different market segments.

This might hopefully make both companies to concentrate on being more competitive (price wise) in the top end graphics segment, and therefore drive prices somewhat lower...

Another eventuality which I do not believe will take place is for Nvidia to lose interest on the high end market, and only focus on commercial and low end graphics...

Are you saying AMD is trying to bully Nvidia out of the high end market?

[STEvil]

Are you AMD is trying to bully Nvidia out of the high end market?

nVidia might just do all the work for AMD if they keep doing what they're doing

[tajoh111]

nVidia might just do all the work for AMD if they keep doing what they're doing

I think its way too early to say that, but the original fermi was a bad start for them. So far, NV release style has been too defensive(they respond to something), rather than offensive(they make a product to respond to what AMD has released). The offense they have put up is the gtx 460 and AMD answered pretty well even though it took a bit of time. NV just putting no pressure on AMD at all.

[kuroikenshi]

I think its way too early to say that, but the original fermi was a bad start for them. So far, NV release style has been too defensive(they respond to something), rather than offensive(they make a product to respond to what AMD has released). The offense they have put up is the gtx 460 and AMD answered pretty well even though it took a bit of time. NV just putting no pressure on AMD at all.

It is exactly that, pro-active marketing strategy vs reactive marketing strategy. One dictates and the other counters (also a timing issue).

Since the gtx200 series, Nvidia hasn't been leading the market, which is fair as you can't expect the one company to lead the market forever.

However a defensive marketing strategy is build around trumping your opponent's moves regardless of the cost ( cost to produce GTX460 die size vs yields). Nvidia did this to retain market share, and they did a fantastic job taking into account the time constraints to respond after the GTX480 flop. However when you look at the timing factor, there is a six month CIRCA gap between AMD's dev team and Nvidia's, I simply do not think that Nvidia had sufficent time to react yet.

28nm will be different altogether, since both parties were told about 32nm cancellation at the same time, so in theory they also started to plan and develop 28nm architecture roughly at the same time. Like I said before, its mostly a timing issue.

[Svnth]

I think its way too early to say that, but the original fermi was a bad start for them. So far, NV release style has been too defensive(they respond to something), rather than offensive(they make a product to respond to what AMD has released). The offense they have put up is the gtx 460 and AMD answered pretty well even though it took a bit of time. NV just putting no pressure on AMD at all.

That's kind of a non-sensical statement.. of course one is seen as "more defensive" when it comes after the other one. If you're around a year late for some of your products chances are you are going to be seen as releasing "defensively", given that you know exactly what you're up against because it's in the market already.

[kuroikenshi]

Are you saying AMD is trying to bully Nvidia out of the high end market?

A firm's objective is mostly always the same , MARKET SHARE.

It's simply the natural order of markets which dictates that companies will try (if within reach) to obtain as high market share if feasibly possible.

I would never say bully, but the high end market even if not most profitable, still brings very good PR for company (e.g. fastest card in the world) (e.g. unparalleled computing power) some of those claims, even if tacky, will still be a phenomenal form of marketing, thus getting more contracts on some of their lower end products (OEM's)

[duploxxx]

My prediction:

November: paper launched, reviewer edition
December: very limited availability for christmas shopping spree appereance
January: trickling yet still limited availability
February: good availability

Basically it will be ~2 months behind in good market availability compared to Cayman boards, December vs February.



Their secrecy keeping deserves an award i guess, simply mind boggling.

did you check availability of Barts? no paperlaunch and available they will do the same for cayman in a few weeks.

[Dimitriman]

also... wow at document, phenomenal presentation, also we can see how their long term marketing strategy plan is falling into place with the technology being implemented, where there wont be any medium to low end GPU's only performance level up, the rest, will be fusion.

Reason for this is that they are either very confident on pre-agreed contracts for OEM manufacturers to build fusion systems (including discrete graphics within the APU, or they're just plain nuts which I don't think is the case to be at all.

The insight and strategic planning from the red team seems to be highly cohesive, and much more comprehensive that the green team's.

The advantages for the red team is that they also run a cpu business, and can allow for dual/combined strategies within different market segments.

This might hopefully make both companies to concentrate on being more competitive (price wise) in the top end graphics segment, and therefore drive prices somewhat lower...

Another eventuality which I do not believe will take place is for Nvidia to lose interest on the high end market, and only focus on commercial and low end graphics...

But you just know that some dude with Llano "just gotta have me geforce" is gonna go out and buy a discrete gs430 anyhow...

[spursindonesia]

did you check availability of Barts? no paperlaunch and available they will do the same for cayman in a few weeks.

Hey, i've got to check back my optimism regarding AMD so nobody will hot stamp my forehead with a certain scarlett letter of fanboy stigma here, haven't i ?

But you just know that some dude with Llano "just gotta have me geforce" is gonna go out and buy a discrete gs430 anyhow...

Hmm, thinking about that, it means anybody buying APU such as Llano, it will be packaged like a VGA card or CPU ? I think it would be like a CPU package, since the chip itself will take form like a CPU, but it should come with a CD driver, right ? and perhaps a copy of certain promotional game ?

[kuroikenshi]

But you just know that some dude with Llano "just gotta have me geforce" is gonna go out and buy a discrete gs430 anyhow...

well, people that buy GPU's usually have a general understanding of "how much they go/how much more they want"

gs430 is so discreet I would not doubt that 4 core fusion cpu will be better, not many people will buy discreet just because they want green team, OEM's don;t quite work like that, and low end discreet is aimed just at that segment, OEM

[herderien]

so we'll have to wait 3/4 weeks ?
and if 6970 is as good as it seems, NV will authorize benchers to leak performance tests cause they're late...if they compete well, or leak and adjust their pricing if they don't.

[Dimitriman]

Hmm, thinking about that, it means anybody buying APU such as Llano, it will be packaged like a VGA card or CPU ? I think it would be like a CPU package, since the chip itself will take form like a CPU, but it should come with a CD driver, right ? and perhaps a copy of certain promotional game ?

cpu package with drivers for sure though I think they will advertise the gpu class present on die such as 5570 or something like that.

[MrMojoZ]

well, people that buy GPU's usually have a general understanding of "how much they go/how much more they want"

I disagree, people are completely clueless in general. They buy off half remembered recommendations from friends who don't know anything either.

[stangracin3]

My prediction:

November: paper launched, reviewer edition
December: very limited availability for christmas shopping spree appereance
January: trickling yet still limited availability
February: good availability

Basically it will be ~2 months behind in good market availability compared to Cayman boards, December vs February.



Their secrecy keeping deserves an award i guess, simply mind boggling.

I still doubt they will have them in reviewers hands until very late november if that is the case. more than likely it will be december.

for good availability i still stand by my earlier statment of late march

[h0bbes]

From my understanding, they finally tracked down a number of their leaks.

Was it you that suggested that they were spreading out different information before the 5xxx series release in order to track down their leaks? Sounds about right

[Manicdan]

I disagree, people are completely clueless in general. They buy off half remembered recommendations from friends who don't know anything either.

im really tired of hearing the "this one has more migabites" argument from those who think they know something