In this case paper launch means you can hand them money and they will hand you a shiny new card with paper receipt.
In this case paper launch means you can hand them money and they will hand you a shiny new card with paper receipt.
Quite spot on!!
Originally Posted by MrMojoZ
I don't see no 225w TDP easily, an xt already uses two six pin power connectors which is indicative alone of what potential overall power draw can/will be.
Any scaling back of a pair of xt's in an attempt to fit them in a 225w tdp would equal a failed replacement for the 5970 for the consumer.
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Nice paper launch except the part of handing them over the money.Anyway OBR is always negative about about ATI, he is NVIVIA fanboy so I doubt he has any ATI or the AIB partners inside info.
For me it looks like its going to be for the third time in row ATI cards update, the last NVIDIA card I bought was 8800 GTX.
After that I updated to HD 4870 x2 because Nvidia didn't have anything to compete for about 6 months and even than it was originally the 2 cards sandwiched model.
Than I bought the HD 5970 and now about 10 months later NVIDIA still doesn't have any card to compete with it.
Most likely my next update is going to be the AMD/ATI Antilles since it looks like NVIDIA is not going to have any card to compete with it for very long time.
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TDP, MBP.. What do they stand for again?
I know TDP is thermal design power, is it the maximum power the computer can dissipate?
Maybe someone else can explain it better.
No idea what MBP is....
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Thermal design power is what the thing usually means. It tells you two things: How much heat does it make at maximum load (and thus what sort of cooling is necessary) and also how much power does it use at maximum load. Video cards are about 99.9% inefficient when it comes to output on an energy conversion level. Everything it takes except for a few milliwatts that escape as signals and a few watts that escape as kinetic energy (fan) leaves as heat.
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This whole concept is not so hard to grasp if you think of it this way
-MBP maximum board power = the amount of power in watts that goes IN the card and is limited to what the 6pin/8pin/pcie connectors can allow.
-TDP = thermal design power and is the amount of heat in watts dissipated OUT of the chip.
-Power draw = total electricity required by the whole card to function. cannot exceed mbp since that is the maximum power that can be fed to the board. Also since energy cannot be created only converted, tdp in watts cannot be higher than power draw.
I think this is correct anyway - think in and out electricity vs. heat and youll figure it out better.
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These two posts should cover the TPD & MBP
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...0&postcount=95
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...6&postcount=98
Edit: Argh.. ~All the electricity is turned to heat eventually, 180 W in as electricity = 180 W out as heat.
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The 300W limit should be based on whatever AMD's definition of TDP is, since they cut down 5970 exactly to 300W.
FUD: AMD promotes Cayman as the new R300
Then Antilles is the new dual R300!We have received some new information about Cayman, claiming that the new GPU will end up big and hot, which is not surprising as it is the biggest GPU that AMD has ever made. We don't have any exact numbers yet, but the general feeling about this quite secretive project is that it might be the new R300.
If you are old enough you will remember the famous Half life 2 vouchers and ATI’s first leader series, which included the now legendary Radeon 9700. This chip dominated against Nvidia's Geforce FX 5800, the infamous NV30, so Cayman has a lot to live up to. This was some eight years ago, in summer of 2002, way before Tweeter, Facetube and Youbook launched.
AMD is either hoping that Nvidia doesn't have a chance with its GF110 aka GTX 580 or that Nvidia could fail again. However, we believe that making the same mistake twice would be something that would really upset Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang.
ATI partners are confident and it looks like they should get enough cards. If all goes well Cayman Radeon HD 6970 should launch in last week of November, of course if it doesn't get pushed back further.
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I thought MBP is the maximum possible power the card can draw? AFAIK, a card cant exceed the MPB but can exceed the TDP.
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Yup. It can't generate more heat than it draws power.I thought MBP is the maximum possible power the card can draw? AFAIK, a card cant exceed the MPB but can exceed the TDP.
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so antilles = R300 ??? :O cant wait to see how epic it will become
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check my post above for a clear explanation.I thought MBP is the maximum possible power the card can draw? AFAIK, a card cant exceed the MPB but can exceed the TDP.
it worried me how they will make such a big and hot chip as a dual version. if cayman turns out the king od kings maybe antilles will get posponed till 28nm?
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So if Antilles is R300 and I have an R600 then I'm 300 better than the to be released card?
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Cayman is the NEW R300...So if Antilles is R300 and I have an R600 then I'm 300 better than the to be released card?
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Lets hope cayman is the new R300! I feel a graphic wars coming on in price and performance!
so now caymen is going to be bigger than a 2900?
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that would make antilles looks like a volcano compared to GF100 :S ...
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I was kidding. Can't wait to see this card though, unless it's all hype and no substance like the R600
... PS Still waiting for that magical driver...
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R300 = 9700 pro .... and seriously i don't think the Cayman will bring what R300 was bring uppon the older generation .... The comparaison is a little bit optimist.
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