AMD Radeon HD 6870 and HD 6850 confirmed to be launched on 22.10.2010

[tajoh111]

I'm not trying to "win". I just want you to think twice before predicting the absolute worst outcome based on little evidence whatsoever.

You said that this would be the most expensive generation of cards ever. It turns out that probably isn't true. We are getting more performance + some extra features/fixes for the same price.

Why don't you explain what you were hoping from this generation besides a better price/performance ratio and more features. I don't know what else you would expect.


Worried about the SNR?

I honestly read it so many times and Cayman is the only thing really being mentioned in August really and performance scores of it and it is still being referred to a 6870.

So I don't think you can prove the renaming and reshifting of cayman and bart xt was known in late august...

I think you should really look of value in the context of how much of a jump in value occurred in prior generations. Its kind of ok, but its not earth shattering and actually quite disappointing if you compare it to the last few. Some extra performance for the same price wasn't 10%, it was 50% or more. As a result, I can't help but feel this generation is about ballooning up AMD margins rather than giving extra value to the consumer.

I think I am being more realistic than anything. If we compared value to the last generation, I don't know how people can be really excited this generation beside atleast for me, the ultra high end parts.

It is starting to look like the most expensive, what should have been a 6770 is being priced in the 250 range(which is a tough sell, hence the naming shift). Bart xt should not be considered the successor to 5870, because they do not beat them in performance.

Considering scalping is likely to occur because AMD said they plan to produce chips in the 100,000's(CEO said it) before the end of this quarter(compared to last gen or 6xxx where they produced 2 million cards, where cards were heavily scalped), it could be worse than the last generation for scalping combined with the naming shift, we might get incredible scalping for even barts. Cayman will definitely hit 500+ dollars especially after scalping(perhaps 600 if we are unlucky). And with prices like that for single chips, how expensive is Antilles going to be?

Remember pricing for the 5850? How it started off low in retailers and jumped sky high? If the retail price of the 6870 is 250 which is very similar to the 5850 starting price, don't you think for a card that is 33% smaller than the 5850, has a little bit better performance for near 300 dollars would not be the greatest value for a next gen part?

I think I am being reasonable with my arguments here.

My expectation for this generation was barts to not adopt the 68xx moniker or more specifically the 6870 and 6850 moniker because it implies better performance. Bart xt as a 6830(which makes alot more sense since they might have similar pricing) is alot better and anything else relegated to the 67xx series.

Additionally I wish they would have kept bart and its entire line under 200 dollars. It might be a bigger chip but money can still be made off of a 200 dollar 230mm chip as Nvidia initial pricing of the gtx 460 has shown.

I also wish they produced bigger quantities(unless the CEO is lying), so we would not get price scalped.

Everythings is just going to get more expensive this generation and it going to really reduce the value we should be getting out a next gen part. Part of it is AMD having no competition and getting greedier and retailers scalping.

What disappoint me this generation is Nvidia has no real response and pricing of these cards will remain pretty high and combined with scalping because of low quanities, we lose any value for buying this generation.

This move from AMD cashing in on crappy competition to make ridiculous money, honestly is kind of good for us in the short run(very little good), is really bad for alot of people in the long run. I don't want NV to fold, nor its partners. Bad competition has put BFG out of business and likely, alot of people that work at Nvidia will lose their job. I don't want Nvidia to die. I already think for the the 5xxx series and the gtx 4xx series provide enough power for this generation except maybe for a few eyefinity jobs. Putting out a generation that although performs better than the last generation really doesn't do beside screw NVidia and have to sell products at a loss, while AMD makes tremendous profits(where we pay more than we should). I hate it when any company has to sell at a loss because companies get beat up really bad as AMD past has shown.