NVIDIA to Counter Radeon HD 6970 ''Cayman'' with GeForce GTX 580

[kuroikenshi]

I am a bit pessimistic based only on the fact that Nvidia's CEO is a BIT of a douche

[Tha Last Meal]

lol this Monster (GTX 580) Coming in Q4 ..... this Monster use Only 250w.
I think this card GTX 580 will be Better than GTX 480 around 20-25% or more

this card will have 2GB/512bit/40nm/GF110

release date: Q4 2010

[Manicdan]

^lol
series is 400
model is 500

[kuroikenshi]

no images or references.. only trash talk

[tajoh111]

It looks like the card is real and we might get a performance preview in november.

It sounds like the gtx 580 is real, if charlie is saying it is(if the most pessimistic hating guy is saying), I think at the very least the card has to exist.

http://www.semiaccurate.com/2010/10/...ch-next-month/

The plan is simple, in November when DAAMIT launches Cayman, the top single chip Northern Islands family, Nvidia will 'launch' the GTX580 as a 'spoiler'. Tame sites will tout the wonderfullness of this paper part, and a few loyal Nvidia 'partner sites' may even get a card.

Cards will actually be available in late January.

Atleast we are getting performance early this round rather than waiting another six months for that.

GTX480 is ~15% faster than 5870 today.Stream processor efficiency has been upped by quite a bit with NI generation(1120SP in BartsXT parts will almost be equal to 1600SP in Cypress-so lets say that "IPC" will go up by a decent 20%,not massive 42% as the SP count difference first shows).We will have ~1920SP with Cayman,each of which will be faster per clock than Evergreen class SP.Clock speeds are unknown for Cayman,but let's assume similar clock speed as 5870. On the conservative side,Cayman based 69xx will be ~45%(1.2 for the IPC x 1.2 for the SP count increase) faster than 5870.This alone is enough for it to crush any GF100 based single GPU card.

How much does this go down if barts xt proves just a little bit faster than a 5850? The only thing I can see bart xt outperforming a 5870 is in directx 11. It impressive enough if they can get 5850 performance out of a die that is 33% smaller.

[Nintendork]

How many times do you need to read that 512bit + GDDR5 is the most idiotic way to make a gpu?

GDDR5 was made to save space and reduce costs. Only dual GT104 makes sense, and that's more or less what the "rumor" point, not a single-gpu(that's pure nonsense and fantasy).

They can sell two GT104 in a dual card, for a chip with 512bit they need to remake the GT104, that's worthless.


Charlie is in LOL-mode.

[Tha Last Meal]

Cayman based 69xx will be ~45%(1.2 for the IPC x 1.2 for the SP count increase) faster than 5870.This alone is enough for it to crush any GF100 based single GPU card.

OOOOOOOMG you have this card HD 6970
you say 45% ...... ok GTX 480 faster than 5870 around 26%
45%-26%=19%. that Mean Cayman XT (6970) faster than GTX 480 Only around 19%. so if the GTX 580 (look here boy) come faster than GTX 480 around 20-25% ........ that Mean GTX 580 will be faster than Cayman XT (6970) around 6%

Of course, all this talking expectations

[zerazax]

I find it funny so many people are putting stock in this 580 when Nvidia hasn't even produced a fully enabled 40nm chip that's much smaller than what this is rumored to be

A dual GF104 makes a lot more sense, and its combined #'s actually mirror the rumors

[tajoh111]

I find it funny so many people are putting stock in this 580 when Nvidia hasn't even produced a fully enabled 40nm chip that's much smaller than what this is rumored to be

A dual GF104 makes a lot more sense, and its combined #'s actually mirror the rumors

I think being able to make a full gf100 is more believable than making a card 50% faster in the same nod.

[Metroid]

A dual GF104 makes a lot more sense, and its combined #'s actually mirror the rumors

Likely to be the GF110 = 2 x 384 = 768. Not really certain about it.

[RaV[666]]

Is there any info on cayman die size ? It should be big too, i wonder if GF100 size or even more.

[RPGWiZaRD]

Looks like people have a reason to start them nuclear meltdown jokes all over again.

[Dimitriman]

OOOOOOOMG you have this card HD 6970
you say 45% ...... ok GTX 480 faster than 5870 around 26%
45%-26%=19%. that Mean Cayman XT (6970) faster than GTX 480 Only around 19%. so if the GTX 580 (look here boy) come faster than GTX 480 around 20-25% ........ that Mean GTX 580 will be faster than Cayman XT (6970) around 6%

Of course, all this talking expectations

alright then... sounds like this 580 is a real killer and i like these performance numbers youre giving, they sound much more accurate and real than anything on next months cayman. i think you should forget cayman and wait for this 580. should be out maybe before cayman even - nvidia never hypes.

[Sadasius]

Maybe the new card will use roofing nails instead of wood screws. Let's see if we get such a preview!

[Tha Last Meal]

alright then... sounds like this 580 is a real killer and i like these performance numbers youre giving, they sound much more accurate and real than anything on next months cayman. i think you should forget cayman and wait for this 580. should be out maybe before cayman even - nvidia never hypes.

Of course, all this talking expectations

maybe cayman XT will kick GTX 580 ass Who knows

[Mad Pistol]

This is Nvidia talking trying not to lose more marketshare... We really have no reason to believe them until we have a working card in our hands.

[h0bbes]

nvidia never hypes?!

[spursindonesia]

Why would you have anything against such a optimism? We all should be happy if nVidia can do "something" to counter these GPUs, and push the prices down.

Why don't you like to keep the optimism for a good competition? Do you like to pay extra high prices in this round too?

I'm an optimist, i really like good competition beetween IHVs, but things must be put into reality perspective. A response from nVidia is very much expected, they have good engineers there & plenty of patents+R&D money, but their decision & execution in this process noce has been lacking, so much focus was put into GPGPU & overdone the geometry performance, the cards are unbalanced & not competitive sizewise + power consumption wise.

As i predicted, early Q1 2011 at the earliest, but like nVidia's fashion, when you have no product, spin your story and prepare woodscrewed cards for the masses. This has happened in the past, so if anyone is blind to this reality, what can i say ? Even an a$$ (donkey) doesn't fall into the same pothole twice.

lol this Monster (GTX 580) Coming in Q4 ..... this Monster use Only 250w.
I think this card GTX 580 will be Better than GTX 480 around 20-25% or more

this card will have 2GB/512bit/40nm/GF110

release date: Q4 2010

512 bit buswidth DOESN'T COMPUTE with 48 ROP partitions, so the specs & release date are as good as gold in the closet.

It looks like the card is real and we might get a performance preview in november.

It sounds like the gtx 580 is real, if charlie is saying it is(if the most pessimistic hating guy is saying), I think at the very least the card has to exist.

http://www.semiaccurate.com/2010/10/...ch-next-month/

The plan is simple, in November when DAAMIT launches Cayman, the top single chip Northern Islands family, Nvidia will 'launch' the GTX580 as a 'spoiler'. Tame sites will tout the wonderfullness of this paper part, and a few loyal Nvidia 'partner sites' may even get a card.

Cards will actually be available in late January.

Atleast we are getting performance early this round rather than waiting another six months for that.

How much does this go down if barts xt proves just a little bit faster than a 5850? The only thing I can see bart xt outperforming a 5870 is in directx 11. It impressive enough if they can get 5850 performance out of a die that is 33% smaller.

Oh, so you now LIKE the card, right ? Getting a bit optimist if nVidia is the subject of the matter, are we ?

Seriously, i also expect some sort of reveal or exposure of their expected response for this new gen AMD chips family, but if they (nVidia) pull another woodscrew debacle, they will simply kill any last goodwill that many reasonable enthusiasts still have for them.

BTW, i like your "optimism" regarding Bart cards performance.

I think being able to make a full gf100 is more believable than making a card 50% faster in the same nod.

RV 770 (55 nm vs RV 670) and GT200 (65 nm vs G92) say hello. Not saying it WILL happen this time around with Cayman vs Cypress, but considering AMD does have some wiggle room (new/revised mArch, diesize & power envelope budget), being optimist in this issue is certainly within reason and not unfounded/fanbois talking.

i just love selected optimism by certain forum members, really amusing.

Likely to be the GF110 = 2 x 384 = 768. Not really certain about it.

Expecting a 768 SP 512 bit single chip out of TSMC 40 nm process that is feasible to make, is simply madness or people talking out of their rear.

Is there any info on cayman die size ? It should be big too, i wonder if GF100 size or even more.

Rumor says less than 400 mm^2, most likely 380-390 mm^2. Considering Bart diesize (230 mm^2), we can expect double the SPs & TMUs if the ROPs stay the same number, or atleast 50% more SPs & TMUs if the ROPs & buswidth grow proportionally. Ofcourse, that's assuming the underlying mArch of BOTH chips is the same.

alright then... sounds like this 580 is a real killer and i like these performance numbers youre giving, they sound much more accurate and real than anything on next months cayman. i think you should forget cayman and wait for this 580. should be out maybe before cayman even - nvidia never hypes.

Anybody who claims GTX 480 is 26% faster than HD 5870 ON AVERAGE is certainly a person who love talking out of their rear & has certain allegiance toward "certain" IHV.

[Tha Last Meal]

Anybody who claims GTX 480 is 26% faster than HD 5870 ON AVERAGE is certainly a person who love talking out of their rear & has certain allegiance toward "certain" IHV.

lol .....yo boy Look here before you judge me



Some people do not know what they talking about

[Metroid]

nvidia never hypes?!

I thought Nvidia was increasing numbers on a yearly basis, June 2008 GTX 280, June 2009 supposed to be GTX 380, June 2010 GTX 480, January 2011 GTX 580?, June 2011 GTX 680?, looks like by the end of 2011 the GTX 780 will be around competing against the HD 7xxx series and maybe another zero or x will be included from somewhere, maybe GTX 780x

[sbattosai]

lol .....yo boy Look here before you judge me



Some people do not know what they talking about

I'm afraid Maths were not your strongest point at school...
you cannot subtract percentage, but you can make everything related to HD5870 to find out how faster GTX480 is

[zanzabar]

lol .....yo boy Look here before you judge me

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/1549/28599227.jpg

Some people do not know what they talking about

that makes the 5870 20% slower and the 480 23.8% faster, then u dont even give the link to were u got it.

and those stats on the total depend alot on what u benced and how u did it, like witb BC2, if u take the intro (were most sites bench since u cannot demo) the 480 smokes with all the water and geometry but if u do the truck chase or a jungle run the 5870 and 480 are even if not the 5870 on top since the 480 is ROP starved.

[Dimitriman]

What nvidia should do for q4 as many said is getting a dual 460 out for agressive prices which should put some competition against the caymans. especially with some added tmus and faster gddr it would really scale well as with all 460s and if priced well - 349-369 us$ it should bring nvidia some good volumes.

[Sn0wm@n]

Die space isn't the only factor, reducing the bus width also reduces the amount of ram chips needed per unit and at entry level saving say $.50 per unit is huge with volume.

yes .. and the performance would suck .. so they better pull a super low price crappy gt420 ....so that the pothead could buy it to relate to it ...

[spursindonesia]

lol .....yo boy Look here before you judge me



Some people do not know what they talking about

I'm afraid Maths were not your strongest point at school...
you cannot subtract percentage, but you can make everything related to HD5870 to find out how faster GTX480 is

that makes the 5870 20% slower and the 480 23.8% faster, then u dont even give the link to were u got it.

135/109 = 1.238 aka GTX 480 is ~23.8% faster than HD 5870 OR

109/135 = 0.807 aka HD 5870 is ~20% slower than GTX 480

You're really GREAT at math, perhaps should consider miniaturizing yourself to replace the stream processors in the upcoming Northern Islands chip themselves ??

and those stats on the total depend alot on what u benced and how u did it, like witb BC2, if u take the intro (were most sites bench since u cannot demo) the 480 smokes with all the water and geometry but if u do the truck chase or a jungle run the 5870 and 480 are even if not the 5870 on top since the 480 is ROP starved.

Agreed, most quite fair sites that i've read stated that GTX 480 is around 15-20% faster than HD 5870 on AVERAGE, depending on the setting & games/scenarios selected. I really don't think Cypress based cards would still be selling so strongly with pricing structure intact even when it almost reaches the end of its lifetime, if GTX 480 is really 26% faster than it was on AVERAGE.