I repeat again:

I love it when folks pull out slides and leaked numbers that may be fake, and use it as their basis for a large drawn out analysis.

As far as whether Cypress is going EOL... its simple:

1) The actual leaked slides (recent ones) are the most accurate/likeliest true, and they show Juniper lasting for the next quarter, but Barts and Cayman replacing Cypress

2) Cypress is the least likely to be profitable given its die size, and is redundant if Barts and Cayman exist since those take the bottom and top of Cypress

But hey, if you guys like wasting time analyzing something that has little concrete info, carry on

Quote Originally Posted by tajoh111 View Post
The problem is not when when they bring 5870 level performance down to 259 dollars, it when they bring 5850 level performance again at 259 dollars. I have a hard time believing that a 960 shader card will compete with a 1600 shader card that is 50% bigger at similar clocks. In addition the leak vantage number seem very believable with a 960 shader part.
First of all, why is it hard to believe that a 960 shader card can compete if its a new architecture?

Many people have claimed that Cypress is inefficient, and its possible they were right - Barts and Cayman might very well prove that

Allow me to quote B3d:

At Chiphell was posted an interesting 3DMark Vantage screen which is supposed to be from a HD 6850. The interesting stuff are the feature test.


Feature Test 1 (texture) & Feature Test 6 (perlin noise ALUs) ~ HD 5750 level
Feature Test 2 (Pixel ROPs) & Feature Test 5 (GPU particles, with high vertex shader load) ~ HD 5850 level
Now why is that interesting? Because its possible the retooled architecture fixed up inefficiencies and bottlenecks. We all know that feature tests can test the theoretical abilities of an architecture - so yes, it might very well have "just" 800/960 SP's. But it might be utilizing them far more efficiently - after all, 1600 SP's dont mean squat if you can only utilize 800 of them.

Also, if they are getting full GF104 performance out of 2/3 the die size with Barts, Cayman is going to be far faster than Cypress...

Finally, I remember when RV770 was about to be released. Leaked slides showed the 4850 competing with the 8800GT, and the 4870 competing with the 9800 GTX.

People proclaimed the doom of ATI with G200 released two weeks earlier. Turns out the joke was on the Nvidia's fans.

Will this be a repeat? I don't know, but ATI has had a habit of downplaying their cards... particularly the ones people have little concrete info on