AMD Radeon HD 6870 and HD 6850 confirmed to be launched on 22.10.2010

[onethreehill]

AMD Quietly Reveals Next Radeon Series, Launches Next Week
The cat is out of the bag, so to speak, after today's earnings conference call for AMD. One of the things that ended up being discussed by AMD CEO Dirk Meyer in today's call was the future of AMD's graphics division, where AMD's "second-generation DX11" GPUs were mentioned.

We will be launching our second-generation DX11 graphics offerings next week.

Later on, he also had the following to say about what's launching and what the expected volume is:

We'll be introducing our second-generation of DX11 technology into the market with some launch activities actually next week. We'll be shipping all the family members of that product line I'll call it, by the end of this quarter, and total volume think in terms of several hundred thousand, or hundreds of thousands of units....

http://www.anandtech.com/show/3976/a...ches-next-week

[BeepBeep2]

Please stop, your ignorant!

The 5850 is currently going for $259 bucks. Now look at that chart and compare the 5850 to the 6770 (now 6870)...

If indeed, the Barts XT comes in @ the same price as the Cypress Pro, who is going to complain about that? It's an all-around better solution, for basically the same price. Obviously, many would even pay more for it, since I am sure the Barts XT is more efficient and more refined.

What they call it, is moot.

Calling something a 6870, that is hardly better than the 5850, yes, look at things other than compute performance, and add in that it will likely take many months for AMD to get drivers for the 6000 series as efficient as the 5000 ones, you get what looks to be an upgrade (which it really isn't much of) for the same price of the card you already have.

Sure, it's more efficient, by a few watts. I like that part. It is certainly a better solution than the 5850 for the same price. At least, a similar price. Is it worth the upgrade in any way? NO.

To owners of 5870's, getting a 6870 is a downgrade. Do you understand how many people will buy it and wonder why they didn't get a performance increase?

It's okay, I've already heard others call me ignorant. It's no different hearing it from you.

What would you rather have for $260?
This:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814130575
Or this for $220, $200 with MIR:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814261075
Or this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814161330
Or a 6870?

If I were a smart shopper I'd take an awfully hard look at that GTX460 @ $200. The 5850/6870 brings about a 10-15% increase (at stock, not to mention 460's will do 900+ Mhz core) in performance for $40 to $60 more?...

[tajoh111]

http://www.anandtech.com/show/3976/a...ches-next-week

Fuuddddge. Several hundred thousand. Didn't they ship a couple million units before quarter end with r8xx? Does that mean more scalping?

http://www.amd.com/us/press-releases...-2010jan7.aspx

[Calmatory]

To owners of 5870's, getting a 6870 is a downgrade. Do you understand how many people will buy it and wonder why they didn't get a performance increase?

A handful?

If one is that ignorant of what they buy, then they deserve it. Do you think that your average Joe buys discrete cards just randomly by looking at the packaging and the cards name only? Some may do, but they're definitely a minority. Let alone how many of those are actually HD 5000-series owners.

And some people have guts to call this a renaming.

[Shadov]

To owners of 5870's, getting a 6870 is a downgrade. Do you understand how many people will buy it and wonder why they didn't get a performance increase?

Do you really assume that most people understand (care about) the numbers behind VGA models? No, they buy the card they can afford and is recommended by the sales person.

Enthusiasts are a different story and they are a small % of the market. But again these people will want to wait for the x900 cards.

So what is the fuzz about again? Looking for a problem where there is none?

[Macadamia]

Chiphell hinted that the 6850 has the same (or $10-20 more) pricing as the 5850 (just slightly less, 250USD probably).

So it's definitely faster than the 5850 or at least the 460s out there...

[flopper]

(at stock, not to mention 460's will do 900+ Mhz core)

Moot point.
my 5850 on 40nm did 1ghz+ easy.
so did several others.
the amd radeon cards likely will do 1ghz without endangering Earth and its power supply.

[Metroid]

Not happy with the rumoured prices and how they named. Hope performance matches the prices.

[N19h7m4r3]

I like the sounds of these cards, even if they have similar performace to current cards, lower power consumption is great.

Specially since my 4870x2 is acting up, keeps crashing and causing screen tearing with Xfire enabled. So i'm currently running on a single 4870 chip.

Even so that 6870 looks nice. Would be nice if it was slightly faster than the 5870, but I'm not sure what to buy just yet.

[Gaul]

hd 6xxx is 2nd next gen dx 11, its mean great FPS on dx 11 game, like metro 2033 and lost planet2

as i know gtx 460 oc faster than 5870 on MERTRO 2033 game

[Xoulz]

Calling something a 6870, that is hardly better than the 5850, yes, look at things other than compute performance, and add in that it will likely take many months for AMD to get drivers for the 6000 series as efficient as the 5000 ones, you get what looks to be an upgrade (which it really isn't much of) for the same price of the card you already have.

Sure, it's more efficient, by a few watts. I like that part. It is certainly a better solution than the 5850 for the same price. At least, a similar price. Is it worth the upgrade in any way? NO.

To owners of 5870's, getting a 6870 is a downgrade. Do you understand how many people will buy it and wonder why they didn't get a performance increase?

It's okay, I've already heard others call me ignorant. It's no different hearing it from you.

What would you rather have for $260?
This:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814130575
Or this for $220, $200 with MIR:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814261075
Or this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814161330
Or a 6870?

If I were a smart shopper I'd take an awfully hard look at that GTX460 @ $200. The 5850/6870 brings about a 10-15% increase (at stock, not to mention 460's will do 900+ Mhz core) in performance for $40 to $60 more?...

I guess you weren't being ignorant, you are.

OK, so you'd rather have a GTX 460, over a 5850..?

Secondly, for $40 to $60 buck less, I would just take the Barts Pro... or, whatever AMD slots @ $199. There is no base for your logic, what-so-ever.. you are utterly tied up in the naming/marketing of the card.

What the card is named, is irrelevant.

[RaV[666]]

Well, AMD named and set price for these cards based on the competition.Pure business.Nvidia screwed up, and were going to pay for it too.
I dont like the naming, its confusing.It isnt renaming tho.I dont like the price, but its a company, and a company that REALLY needs the money, so they will get as much as they can.
And to Tajoh who really got "upset" by price per mm2 on these.
Nvidia sell more power hungry bigger dies for the same or lower price, because their design is flawed, they have too.
And the same applies to Intel, selling 32nm westmere which is SMALLER than 45nm nehalem for 500-1000$ only.
They do it because they can, people are paying and dont have a competing product.
So if youre so pissed on AMD, than you should be equally pissed on Intel.
And dont get me started on 2 core westmere price vs die area thing ;-).

All in all ,if all these are true, im much more inclined to buy GTX 460 768mb version which really starts to get CHEAP.

OK, so you'd rather have a GTX 460, over a 5850..?

He obviously takes into account price difference, 460 1GB is 20% cheaper in my country, and 30% for the 768MB version.

[Eagleclaw]

What some of us are saying is this (and it's been said many many times i.e. learn to read) is wait to complain until you see what the full lineup is. THEN if it doesn't make sense and AMD is trying to pull a fast one I will complain about it as well.

Pages of Complaints without knowing the full line up makes everyone look like an ass and is counterproductive.

Yeah let's all be tools and suck it up and just accept their messed up naming scheme which is obv designed to mislead ppl!!!

Yeah guys let's do it!!! Complaining about things that don't make sense is stupid!!! Just accept whatever ATI says and deal with it you crybabies!!!

GO ATI!!!

[Eagleclaw]

To add to this, do you think a lot of 5870 owners (who almost certainly had a little tech skill to install the card in the first place) are going to just go out blindly and grab a 6870 that is ~$100 cheaper and think it's going to be WAY faster?

Sorry I just can't imagine this happening to any extent.

A handful?

If one is that ignorant of what they buy, then they deserve it. Do you think that your average Joe buys discrete cards just randomly by looking at the packaging and the cards name only? Some may do, but they're definitely a minority. Let alone how many of those are actually HD 5000-series owners.

And some people have guts to call this a renaming.

[StimulatedBoy]

Chiphell hinted that the 6850 has the same (or $10-20 more) pricing as the 5850 (just slightly less, 250USD probably).

So it's definitely faster than the 5850 or at least the 460s out there...

6850 will be positioned against gtx460 768 at US$ 189.
6870 will be positioned against gtx460 1024 at US$ 215.

[Svnth]

To add to this, do you think a lot of 5870 owners (who almost certainly had a little tech skill to install the card in the first place) are going to just go out blindly and grab a 6870 that is ~$100 cheaper and think it's going to be WAY faster?

Sorry I just can't imagine this happening to any extent.

I find it funny how when it's NVIDIA most people scream at the top of their lungs for protecting random consumers who will not be informed. When it's AMD who might be possibly confusing consumers it's perfectly acceptable, and the burden should be on the consumer, and it's their fault.

[Eagleclaw]

Like I said........We don't know yet do we?

edit: It's funny how now days people can't take responsibility for there own actions. I don't give a crap what Nvidia has pulled in the past
and I have never ripped them for anything (in fact I have had Nvidia cards for years and liked them).

But all this feel sorry for the consumer buying something or being duped into buying something doesn't fly with me.

It's like buying "insert and product" and not taking the time to ask someone or read an article well you would make the wrong purchase anyway.

And this is anyone's fault but the consumer? RIGHT!

I find it funny how when it's NVIDIA most people scream at the top of their lungs for protecting random consumers who will not be informed. When it's AMD who might be possibly confusing consumers it's perfectly acceptable, and the burden should be on the consumer, and it's their fault.

[ripken204]

I find it funny how when it's NVIDIA most people scream at the top of their lungs for protecting random consumers who will not be informed. When it's AMD who might be possibly confusing consumers it's perfectly acceptable, and the burden should be on the consumer, and it's their fault.

+1

either that or you guys underestimate how stupid people really are.
get away from a computer every now and then and you will be amazed.

[Eagleclaw]

Sure everyone has there moments and no one can know every product they purchase.

But really do you think that someone who was smart enough to purchase and install a 5870 in the first place is going to be dumb enough to buy a 6870 as a sidegrade seeing the price is cheaper and think it's WAY faster?

+1

either that or you guys underestimate how stupid people really are.
get away from a computer every now and then and you will be amazed.

[ripken204]

Sure everyone has there moments and no one can know every product they purchase.

But really do you think that someone who was smart enough to purchase and install a 5870 in the first place is going to be dumb enough to buy a 6870 as a sidegrade seeing the price is cheaper and think it's WAY faster?

there will be a lot of people who do that research and pick the product they really wanted but there will also be plenty of people who will go based on model numbers. assuming that EVERYONE who buys any piece of hardware will ALWAYS go and research it into depth to see how it compares to previous generations is just not right.

[Eagleclaw]

I understand your point but if they go by model number they would first have to know what a 5870 is, if they know that your saying they won't know what a 6870 is?

If they don't know what a 5870 is then they don't have one and wouldn't be sidegrading, if the 6870 is a descent card at a descent price and they buy it
I wouldn't think they would be complaining about it.

there will be a lot of people who do that research and pick the product they really wanted but there will also be plenty of people who will go based on model numbers. assuming that EVERYONE who buys any piece of hardware will ALWAYS go and research it into depth to see how it compares to previous generations is just not right.

[Dimitriman]

there will be a lot of people who do that research and pick the product they really wanted but there will also be plenty of people who will go based on model numbers. assuming that EVERYONE who buys any piece of hardware will ALWAYS go and research it into depth to see how it compares to previous generations is just not right.

you do realize this discussion is only valid in the time between barts and cayman launch right? so just about one month for somone to make that mistake since afterwards 6970 will be out for 350$ and any doubts as to which is the true top dog will be over.
please get over the naming scheme change. it was done so amd can acomodate all its discrete line as well as fusion line under one codename range. by december all confusion will be over. price is the segment, not name.

[Manicdan]

Your wrong about that. The 4770 was only 100 dollars and soon reached 80-90 street price. Until the 4850 was EOL, it was never that cheap. Basically AMD is doing a repeat of what it did that generation for performance but not saving you really that much money. The msrp of the 4850 was 200 dollars, the msrp of the 4770 was 100 dollars. Now look at this generation, the msrp of the 5850 is 259 dollars, the likely msrp of the 6770/6870 is 250 dollars(and bart should be cheap to make as it is alot smaller 100mm2 less and the yields should be fantastic compared to cypress). This should be obvious why they had to use the shady name if you look at this a 6770 at 250 is a damn tough sell and honestly, if you look at the performance jump of earlier x770(both the 4770 and the 5770) series, naming bart xt as a 6770 makes way more sense.

http://www.guru3d.com/article/ati-ra...d-4770-review/

AMD is not close to offering the value it once did. It taking advantage of no competition which sucks for us and even worse for Nvidia.

sorry but i am right. i was shopping for a gpu back before the 5000s were out and had to choose between a 4850 for 100-110$, or a 4770 for 120-130$. MSRP does not equal actual retail prices.

the demand for a 4770 was much higher, and it was tough to find them at first. and it WAS going for a higher price than a 4850 while both were still being produced.

what i am trying to say is that there was no special deal back then.

[Hell Hound]

So we should expect a 6990 for $450-$500 then.Sounds great actually,faster and $100 cheaper than a 5970.

[zalbard]

So we should expect a 6990 for $450-$500 then.Sounds great actually,faster and $100 cheaper than a 5970.

You forget the mark up for being the fastest card.