6770 & 6750 Specs leaked

[omega1alpha]

Looks like some new cards are headed our way, but I have one major question? Where the hell are the fancy new DX11 games to take advantage of the added horsepower? What's the purpose of the new hardware, unless you game at really high resolutions?

Looks like a bunch of let's change for the sake of progress. I know we need progress, but the industry needs some real change. In my opinion, better software > faster hardware.

[damha]

can i see a screen shot of your account balance? not doubting you in anyway and dont want to see anything that could hurt your identity but i just wanna see 7 figures.

7 figures: 20,000.00

I am sure he isn't lying

[zanzabar]

What? The new 4D system allows ~98.5 % of the performance at ~75 % diespace. So they can put 25 % more shaders to the same die area, meaning more theoretical number crunching capability per mm².

What I suspect is that AMD isn't really going to just put 25 % more shaders to the core, instead focus on ROPs, TMUs and memory bandwidth because there are bigger bottlenecks there than in raw number crunching.

i dont get how u would drop 25% of the shader room by dropping a small amount of cashe and a little smu, the master shader is the largest part then there is a small cashe for each scalier unit, so at most it should give u 20% of the die back by changing from 5 to 4 but its should be alot less than that (i would guess like 10%). the main advantage of it would be to make it more dynamic as u have to send all of the commands at once to the master and the scalier units so u should be able to get more efficiency by having more masters per scalier unit, but then overall u would have more die space per shader unit.

on the rops, sure more would be nice, maybe there will be a higher end, but for memory we are not bandwidth limited ATM and clocking the ram dose not yield much gain if at all, and even underclocking ram u dont change performance much

[Manicdan]

im wondering if they are pulling a marketing stunt, saying its faster, but ONLY in dx11 games

[BababooeyHTJ]

when everyone else is comparing a 5770 to a 6770.

Why? They aren't going to be the same price. I think that thats one thing that we can be sure of based on pricing in the last couple of generations.

[phantomferrari]

Looks like some new cards are headed our way, but I have one major question? Where the hell are the fancy new DX11 games to take advantage of the added horsepower? What's the purpose of the new hardware, unless you game at really high resolutions?

Looks like a bunch of let's change for the sake of progress. I know we need progress, but the industry needs some real change. In my opinion, better software > faster hardware.

you can thank microsoft and sony (mostly microsoft) with their current dx9 generation hardware in their consoles for that. most game companies write the game for the console and port it over to the computer and since the consoles are running on dx9 hardware they are not going to waste their time coding for dx9 and dx11. its sad really, microsoft recently just commented that they are going to start paying attention to their pc segment again whatever that means. hey microsoft, wanna help the pc which you seem to care about again? release a new console with dx11 hardware and not $150 attachment to make the current xbox a glorified wii!!! sorry, i had to rant

[bamtan2]

Where the hell are the fancy new DX11 games to take advantage of the added horsepower?

pc games dont make enough money for big companies to make fancy dx11 games.

so what video card companies have done to keep business growing is encourage features like 3d and multiple displays. both technologies require a jump in graphics hardware just like a fancy dx11 game. 3d cuts fps in 1/2, 3 screens cuts it in 1/3. so we demand new and faster video cards to make these new features work better even though we didnt even want them few years ago

[saaya]

but this doesnt make sense...
if rv940 is 6800 then what is cayman?
if rv940 is 6800 then what is 6700?
if rv940 is slightly slower than rv870 how is it going to replace it?

nvidia will launch a faster part, ati will launch a slightly slower part?
that doesnt make any sense... where does this rv940 aka bart = 6800 rumor come from anyways?

[zanzabar]

pc games dont make enough money for big companies to make fancy dx11 games.

so what video card companies have done to keep business growing is encourage features like 3d and multiple displays. both technologies require a jump in graphics hardware just like a fancy dx11 game. 3d cuts fps in 1/2, 3 screens cuts it in 1/3. so we demand new and faster video cards to make these new features work better even though we didnt even want them few years ago

its not like good games like bc2 sold almost as many vip keys as the consoles combined, and with no $10-15 royalties. the problem with pc sales is that they only count retail but thats less than half the pc market.

[marten_larsson]

but this doesnt make sense...
if rv940 is 6800 then what is cayman?
if rv940 is 6800 then what is 6700?
if rv940 is slightly slower than rv870 how is it going to replace it?

nvidia will launch a faster part, ati will launch a slightly slower part?
that doesnt make any sense... where does this rv940 aka bart = 6800 rumor come from anyways?

Well, AMD will be launching Caymen as well which should be faster than Cypress. Add to that Antilles which will be a dual caymen and you have the answer to Nvidia's possibly faster cards.

[flopper]

pc games dont make enough money for big companies to make fancy dx11 games.

so what video card companies have done to keep business growing is encourage features like 3d and multiple displays. both technologies require a jump in graphics hardware just like a fancy dx11 game. 3d cuts fps in 1/2, 3 screens cuts it in 1/3. so we demand new and faster video cards to make these new features work better even though we didnt even want them few years ago

a game that last a few hours cost as it does, some can understand why pc games often suck.

good games sell.

[Metroid]

good games sell.

Correction, games that have been marketed do sell as much as the marketing is or was hyped. Reason some companies spent more marketing than creating it.

There are many amazing games that people have never heard about which were a sale failure due to a weak promotion.

Bottom line: The marketing BS nowadays wins up most customers and that is a fact.

This is a huge subject that I do not want to discuss any further.

[EvilOne]

hmmmm why is the 6770 running the mem at only 1050?

Its got a 256-bit memory interface, so ends up faster even with only 1050.

[saaya]

Well, AMD will be launching Caymen as well which should be faster than Cypress. Add to that Antilles which will be a dual caymen and you have the answer to Nvidia's possibly faster cards.

yeah but if rv940 is 6800, then rv970 is what, 6900? and then dual rv970 is... what?

Its got a 256-bit memory interface, so ends up faster even with only 1050.

faster than rv840, but not as fast as rv870...

either memory chips that clock slightly lower are cheaper, or they are doing it on purpose... maybe it would be too close to rv970 otherwise... or maybe they are reserving some space for a refresh in case 28nm has problems like 40nm?

[Vardant]

yeah but if rv940 is 6800, then rv970 is what, 6900? and then dual rv970 is... what?

6950, 6970 and the dual part 6990?

[Dimitriman]

6950, 6970 and the dual part 6990?

they might go crazy and do
6930 = cayman pro
6950= cayman xt
6970= antilles pro
6990= antilles xt

[Mechanical Man]

6950, 6970 and the dual part 6990?

From that point of view it is reasonable that all cards made from one chiptype are in same number base.

eg. 68x0 Barts, 69x0 Cayman etc.

[Vardant]

It still doesn't make sense from the consumer PoV though. We'll have to wait a couple days more I guess, there are leaks everyday now, so the speculation time might be over soon.

[Zloyd]

Is NDA for these cards still the same ?

[Pantsu]

Who knows, NDA ends when release date arrives. I think 12th-14th was suggested as a press event under NDA, and then give it week or two for reviews so by the end of the month is most likely.

Nice mess of rumors going around. I still stick to my 40% performance improvement estimate, regardless of any naming shennanigans.

[MrMojoZ]

Why? They aren't going to be the same price. I think that thats one thing that we can be sure of based on pricing in the last couple of generations.

Way out of context there fella, he was asking about the chart we started out looking at. Pricing wasn't part of the equation.

[Dahmer]

I have 7 figures in my bank and they're not my account number.

7 figures in your bank? really?


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back on topic :
Looking at the numbers the 6770 should beat my 5850 using less power...wonder what the temperatures will be like.

[Soultaker52]

7 figures: 20,000.00

I am sure he isn't lying

Hey, I don't know about you, but I think a spare 20k would be nice either way. Of course, I am a working college student with only 2k to my name. So maybe my view is different than yours.
Either way, these cards are pretty exciting to me for the sole fact that this will give friends a good priced path for tons of gpu power.

[Baron_Davis]

Lol I got 7 figures too if you count the pennies (ie. xx,000.00).

[Jowy Atreides]

7 figures: 20,000.00

I am sure he isn't lying

close actually