You and 99.9% of people at XS.Originally Posted by halfwaythere
AMD's turn as it stands.
You and 99.9% of people at XS.
AMD's turn as it stands.
Thats some high expectations. The 5830 is around as fast as a 4890 for example. I could see it happening with a combination of two things a die shrink and a new architecture. Since we are getting kind of the latter, I think they might get half way there, which puts the 6770 at 5850 performance which the rumors are suggesting.
AMD needs to return to efficiency of their shaders which they had before. 960 shaders would be enough if they performed like 4890 shaders. A 4890 performs the same as a 5830 and it only has 800 shaders. Adding 20 percent more of those would have gotten you to 5850 speed if not more because of the added ROPs. Directx 11 has made both sides less efficient. Luckily for AMD it made up for this with decreased power consumption, NV on the other hand not so much.
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shaders are same efficiency, just they are underutilised cause their structure 4+1D show the limit arround 1200 shaders, an the GPU core isn't optimized to get more shaders yet.
VR-zone.com has gotten some information from Swedish web site that call Sweclocker.com. rumors information about Bart Pro.
Is that your site?
It's down btw. Parked domain.
It should probably be www.sweclockers.comIs that your site?
It's down btw. Parked domain.
Had a look there and the last info I found on "Barts" is 5 days old.
If it's been anything put up there, it's been pulled now.
when you pick sweclockers.com the vr-zome web site, pick swclocker.com web page. you will get error 404, page the pick archives go to next pack, the back out you will get the web page. that I got it,
It's cached
http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...radeon-hd-6850
HD 6850 HD 5770 HD 5830 HD 5850
Codename Bart Pro XT Juniper Cypress Cypress Pro LE
Technology 40 nm 40 nm 40 nm 40 nm
Stream Proc. 1120 pcs. 800 pcs. 1120 pcs. 1440 pcs.
GPU frequency 72x MHz 850 MHz 800 MHz 725 MHz
Memory Frequency 4000 MHz 4800 MHz 4000 MHz 4000 MHz
Memory Bus 256-Bit 128-bit 256-bit 256-bit
Memory Technology GDDR5 GDDR5 GDDR5 GDDR5
TDP - 108 W 175 W 151 W
Launch 18-Oct Out now Out now Out now
Sweclockers've come across some new details about one of the graphics cards to be launched on October 18, more specifically Radeon 6850th This model is very similar to the specifications of today's Radeon 5830th Among others are 1120 stream processors and 1 GB of GDDR5 memory at 4000 MHz in 256-bit memory bus.
It does not mean that the performance is identical to the Radeon 5830th AMD has probably changed some of the graphics processor functionality for lower power consumption and introduce new features that probably also affects the computational power.
Radeon HD 6850 is flanked by large sibling HD 6870, also known as Bart's XT. Of course, this graphics card specifications have been exaggerated, but some more detailed features are not yet known. Media embargo expires on 18 October.
Last edited by Jowy Atreides; 09-16-2010 at 12:54 PM.
Looks like I'll be sticking with my GTX280.
lol, the 6970 is going to be ~2x 6870, but only 44% stronger
i knew xfire wasnt up to sli quality, but <50% is just LOL
and WHY would they make it weaker? if that is really the performance comparison i would have expected them to be the 6770 and the x2 be called the 6870.
also were those numbers based on Dx10, Dx11, or a mixture. cause we all know that with some tessellation the numbers vary by ALOT. so if its a mix, we can drop another 10-20%
That's more 6770 ~230€ and 6750 ~190€ but that's sound false, I think you're right Manicdan, numberz are too weak ...
edit : or maybe 6970 (6870 ???) is Cayman XT
Last edited by Olivon; 09-20-2010 at 12:54 PM.
i think i would rather hear charlie give his opinion over reading that table
LMAO, 6970 is single GPU!
o it is, god im so lost.
then the model numbers make less sense. they have room for only one duel gpu card.
i can understand that they need all 6x00 to match cause thats how crossfire works, you can mix the lowest 6800 with the highest (except for the x2 cards cause they just have to be the same model) but you couldnt mix say a 4850 with a 4770, even though they were near identical in perf.
so if you can only use a 6850 with a 6870 or a 6990 and the 6950 with a 6970, then it just got a little more confusing, and i think they should have dropped everything down by a model number, OR just use the x2 naming convention they did before.
Sites still hold the rebrand gimmick.
After the so called 4870 480SP sites talked about and then ended up with 800SP...
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Why AMD Radeon rumors/leaks "are not always accurate"
Reality check
based on the price and perf, it seems the worse case is about the same as a 5850 in perf/cost (if its 280 for 80% of the 5870 perf)
and the best is about 30% better
That better not be true for the sake of AMD fans because thats worse than rebranding as you get worse performance for a higher number and is crazy misleading. Its would be one of the worst branding in history as everything performs worse than there predecessors.
The performance jump is pretty weak as well and doesn't really make NV change much, just that the gtx 480 has to go down to about 380 euros and a 512 shader gtx 480 with 750 mhz clocks at 450 euros or less should match up pretty well against the 6970.
Core i7 920@ 4.66ghz(H2O)
6gb OCZ platinum
4870x2 + 4890 in Trifire
2*640 WD Blacks
750GB Seagate.
I'll be genuinely pissed if the 6800-series is slower than 5800... And the 6950 only 10% faster than 5870? Hopefully I won't have to be, it's getting tiresome to boycott companies and games because of DRM and such...
Naming scheme is more credible with a line like 6750/6770/6850/6870/6970.
But that's some rumours, nothing really serious IMHO. Time will tell us
big misstep in the naming if this is true
So according to this, if I was waiting HD5870 successor, that would be 6950? LMAO if this turns true.
That would be like epic fail in the world of graphic cards misnomer. :puke:
When are they due out? November?
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It's most likely not.
The 6970 is a single gpu chip according to rumour.
Barts takes the 6870 name, cayman = 69xx
Consider the 6870 to be the 6770 and the 6970 to be the 6870 (probably, the 6950 may be the real 6870 and the 6970 a 6890)
The 6770 (6870 rebrand) is 90% of the 5870, brilliant. Bigger price = bummer.
But still 200 euros is what the 5850 costs and this should be a little faster
Last edited by Jowy Atreides; 09-20-2010 at 02:06 PM.
Even AMD people are smart enough to avoid that stupid naming scheme and performance gains
Umm... Yeh right, you expect Nvidia to release a full GF100 when it can't even release a full GF104?
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