Quote Originally Posted by Hans de Vries View Post
Where it is? on the die of course!
Well, the AMD engineers who validated the 5w 800MHz part as the lowest power part did not know that. Write them an email about this.

Leakage itself in such a part is higher than 1w and you know it.

The sub 1W capable core is on the 10 times larger SOC die of course.
Do you really think AMD is lying in all these presentations?
Not really. They said " sub 1w capable". That doesn't commit to anything. It could be 3rd generation on 28nm of the uarch that reaches sub 1w cpu power.
Do you realize that driving the memory bus to a SODIMM or other
external memory may already take several Watt? That's why smart
phones have the DRAM in the package.

Have you done your homework and read all the fine print of how
some ultra low TDP's are measured and defined. Do you understand
that you are comparing with an SKU which is NOT binned for ultra
low power consumption at all but is just the cheapest bin for small
embedded applications. The 5W part is defined with (cheaper)
1.5V memory I/O devices and not even low power 1.35V LPDDR or
a more appropriate mobile POP setup.
And that low power DDR interface will make it shave half the TDP. What are you smoking ?
You found this on an investor board as always didn't you? From
"somebody" who claims that an Atom core is an order of magnitude
more power efficient as a Bobcat core, yes? and you do believe this.....
Actually not ( I can't pin point anything I've read with what you're saying ) . It seems you're reading Intel's invest boards more than me.