Quote Originally Posted by saaya View Post
oh, your saying its designed to run hot on purpose then?
but why, you must be an ee engineer to make a claim like that!
You obviously don't know jack about Fermi dude.. Fermi runs hotter and consumes more power than Cypress because it has 40% more transistors!

Jeeze, isn't it obvious? People need to do their research before making silly claims..

And the GTX 480 doesn't even run that hot. At stock clocks, it usually tops out at 92 or 93c with the fan on average, well within the 105c threshold.

The initial reviews exaggerated the temps because they used open air test stands.

Mine are overclocked by 21% and the highest temps I ever see are 77c and 87c respectively.....with the fan on 100% of course

thats not the reason somebody spends 250-500$ on a VGA = video graphics accelerator these days... when they buy a vga, guess what, they want it to ACCELERATE GRAPHICS! shocker!
Saaya, are you implying that Fermi doesn't accelerate graphics?

Seriously....

you can sell chainsaw as a knife and advertise it as "can cut down a tree", itll still suck as a knife and nobody will want to carry such a huge expensive thing from the kitchen to the breakfast table every morning...
and all your talk about how it also serves as an "urban violence solver" and "stress relief super fun toy" wont make it a better knife...
Sounds like a Chinese proverb

fermi isnt a graphics processor!
fermi is an awesome graphics processor!
fermi isnt a graphics processor!

I already made myself quite clear. Fermi is a graphics processor that has vastly increased computational abilities over previous generations.

which past gpu makes youy think expecting a 20% boost is reasonable for fermi?
I didn't say it was reasonable, just possible based on the premise that Fermi is such a radically different architecture.

Anyway, Nvidia has pulled it off before. Ask anyone that owned a Geforce 3 about the Detonator 20xx drivers. It increased performance by nearly 20% across the board, and up to 50 and 60% in specific games and benchmarks. Basically, it turned the Geforce 3 (Nvidia's first DX8 part) from an ugly duckling into a Swan.

check out the first reviews of rv870 and compare them to the latest reviews comparing it to gf104 etc... and youll see that rv870 saw a boost of less than 10% throughout its lifetime...
As many people have noted (including many ATI owners themselves), ATI is sorely lacking in the driver department compared to Nvidia.

quadro cards are aimed at hpc? i thought it was tesla?
You're right, it's Tesla. Quadro is more workstation oriented.

at that time they were ahead in the graphics field by quite a fair bit, and they probably thought they could get away with all the gpgpu baggage on a gpu... do you think if given the chance nvidia would do the same thing again? i dont think so...
The Fermi architecture was always designed to be scaleable, so thats irrelevant.

you think its unreasonable to expect a new part to outperform an old part?
It's not unreasonable, just not guaranteed. And the fact that Cayman will be more of a revision than a new architecture, isn't exactly doing it any favors.

It will probably be faster more than likely, but not nearly as much as some of the fanboys in this thread have suggested.

Where Cayman will win big, is on power usage....