Andre Yang - Lifetime Ban

[Serra]

Oh wow. I haven't seen something this bad in quite awhile. All of those guys were huge in this community, and to find this out... well, it's quite sad. As others have said, Andre has been the subject of scrutiny before so I cannot say it comes as a complete surprise, but the others?




Even so, I am personally not of lifetime bans - though I do fully respect and understand the decision. So take my statement as more of a discussion on the general topic rather than this incident. It is an unpopular thing to say, but I am for reform instead of execution. It might be the Canadian in me talking in a room largely full of Americans, but that's just how I was raised. Canada has a much, much, much higher reform rate than the US, and I tend to think it's because reform is the goal of our penal programs rather than just punishment.

Similarly, I think that in incidents like this there should definitely be some punishment... but with a chance at reform. Go ahead and ban cheaters, strip off their champion status, and do not let them compete for a period of time. By all means cut off the freebies from any companies that are willing to comply. That is all necessary, without question. But rather than having a fully binary system (access or no access), maybe there is a third option.

After a period of time allow them back, but with restrictions. Maybe any contest they enter in the next year must be accompanied with a set of photographs of the accomplishment, or even video (which is much harder to fake). [To be honest I feel that should be a requirement for any high-level competition anyway, but that's another story]. Do not allow them to compete with hardware they received from a manufacturer (verified through the manufacturer, to the extent possible). Etc. What I'm getting at here is that I think people should be given a chance to earn their way back to our good graces.



Again, with that said, I do fully understand and respect the decision in this case. These are the rules we have in place and they should be respected and must be enforced. I speak of future rule changes and my position on the direction I would like to see them moved towards.

[Dahaka]

Hardcore news for ending this day.

but this is like athletes. if any of them consume drugs, energy drinks or something that is involved with antipoding stuff will be "banned" from their career and sport, same thing over here with Andre and other members involved.

Regards from Chile and sorry my band english :P.

[Metroid]

Rules in overclocking (competitively with prize or just to show off your new hardware):

1. Post your own result
2. Show your own work

Once you crossed the line...your credibility and respect will vanished

If this was in the university then all of them would be banned and lose all the credibility gained up to that day. What they did is called plagiarism. There is no forgiving for this at uni.

[zanzabar]

Hardcore news for ending this day.

but this is like athletes. if any of them consume drugs, energy drinks or something that is involved with antipoding stuff will be "banned" from their career and sport, same thing over here with Andre and other members involved.

Regards from Chile and sorry my band english :P.

i agree on benching but they are still a valuable part of the community to help other people. in sports even people who roid up are allowed to come back as coaches or trainers, they just have to not use or encourage others.

i think that for XS it should be the same were affter a while cheaters should be able to come back to help others in legitimate pursuits. but for HWbot a life time ban seams appropriate

[charlie]

I don't want to go too far OT... but lower level OC is often times more entertaining than the higher stuff.

Go grab an i3 and a 5830 and make it bark, wag it's tail and cry for supper

[YukonTrooper]

Sucks to see the specific individuals banned, considering their status in community, but ultimately cheating is cheating and as such needs to be dealt with harshly for the sake of all legit contenders. The only thing wrong about this is that they weren't awarded double-lifetime bans like XFX dishes out double-lifetime warranties.

[Dahaka]

i agree on benching but they are still a valuable part of the community to help other people. in sports even people who roid up are allowed to come back as coaches or trainers, they just have to not use or encourage others.

i think that for XS it should be the same were affter a while cheaters should be able to come back to help others in legitimate pursuits. but for HWbot a life time ban seams appropriate

But they know the rules so is not a valid excuse to forgive this errors.

skinnee show us their experience benching for MOA, is more undestable now WHY took Andre's results but doesn't change the cheating.

Regards from Chile.

[Utnorris]

Kudos to hiwa and skinnee for having the nuts to confess and learn from mistakes.

U beat me too it, He was man enough to own up and admit what has happened and came clean, alot of people would of made up a excuse and denied it, a real man comes forward.. always a good thing in my book..

Excuse me for my misunderstanding of the situation, but didn't they get caught cheating and then own up to it? I mean it wasn't until an official inquiry by HWBOT before anything was discovered. It's great that they came on here and tried to explain what happened and what they were thinking, but that doesn't change the fact that they decided to cheat. And let's not forget what was at stake here, not just a score, but a paid trip and who knows what else, something that should have rightfully been someone else's. I have no ill will for any of them, especially Skinnee, but that doesn't mean I have any sympathy for what happens to you when you get caught cheating. I am going to say it again, they all got caught, who knows if this is the first time or just the first time they got caught, does anyone know? Of course not, and I want to believe that it was just this once, but the problem is that they have thrown doubt into every score out there now with their selfish action. Every time someone gets the top spot, the question will be there "Is it legit?".

I am also unclear on the punishment. I thought it was a 1 year ban from XS and HWBOT for everyone but Andre who got a permaban. I am now hearing it is something like 30 days on XS, can anyone clear that up for the record?

One more question, when I read Skinnee's explanation earlier it said Vapor changed the extension on one of the files that Skinnee tried to upload and this is what started the whole thing, so did Vapor know what was going on?

[fatguy1992]

Its a shame people cheat, but at least when they get found out they get banned

I don't want to go too far OT... but lower level OC is often times more entertaining than the higher stuff.

Go grab an i3 and a 5830 and make it bark, wag it's tail and cry for supper

I have to agree, last few days i'v been benching some old Celeron's and P4. Great fun even though it hasn't provided many points.

[packetNZ]

sad times...its like a knife to the heart of the OC community...dont usually post at XS but this is shattering

[zanzabar]

But they know the rules so is not a valid excuse to forgive this errors.

skinnee show us their experience benching for MOA, is more undestable now WHY took Andre's results but doesn't change the cheating.

Regards from Chile.

im not saying that they should not get banned just that lifetime from a forum sounds a bit much when its not were they cheated.

[Sn0wm@n]

im not saying that they should not get banned just that lifetime from a forum sounds a bit much when its not were they cheated.

XS is the meca for ocers worldwide .... fuggers only did what a forum representing this kind of image had to do

[UrbanSmooth]

Andre Yang is the man in the middle:

[Computurd]

does anyone know what they were ranked worldwide, respectively , at the time of the ban? what were each of their positions on the chart?

[dctokyo]

Well done Fugger.

[ulticool]

rofl.. he used the same FM key for all the results even

/me faints

[El Mano]

Andre Yang is the man in the middle:

There are six guys. What do you mean "in the middle"?

[Vapor]

....so did Vapor know what was going on?

I gave my opinion on the "what ifs" with doing this then went to sleep in another room some 45 minutes before skinnee uploaded the score and made it public.

Woke up the next morning and found out multiple scores were under investigation

[Vapor]

Did you tell him NOT to do it

I told him my thoughts on the matter and left the decision to him and went to bed. He was the one whose name was on it and he was the one who was trying to qualify for MOA.

[Movieman]

I told him my thoughts on the matter and left the decision to him and went to bed. He was the one whose name was on it and he was the one who was trying to qualify for MOA.

That's good enough for me.
We are not "our brothers keeper" and don't control another adults actions.

[zanzabar]

I told him my thoughts on the matter and left the decision to him and went to bed. He was the one whose name was on it and he was the one who was trying to qualify for MOA.

so the bench rig was there and everything was done with a team (made of the people who have now been banned) and he made a run with it and had it saved or was he just watching and a run was saved or was it his hardware/partly his.

[Johnny87au]

Andre Yang is the man in the middle:

Dinos looks like johnny knoxville lol, bad!

[thebanik]

so the bench rig was there and everything was done with a team (made of the people who have now been banned) and he made a run with it and had it saved or was he just watching and a run was saved or was it his hardware/partly his.

Andre did the run most probably at his place, and distributed the .3dr files electronically to whomsoever who asked from him(or maybe as afro said the other way around).

[UrbanSmooth]

There are six guys. What do you mean "in the middle"?

The fat dude.

[STEvil]

so the bench rig was there and everything was done with a team (made of the people who have now been banned) and he made a run with it and had it saved or was he just watching and a run was saved or was it his hardware/partly his.

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