remember that most people cheat/lie/steal, they just dont get caught.Originally Posted by Jp7
AndreYang, Hiwa, eXtremetweaker.de, KJ and Skinnee cheaterslifetime ban from OC world
you never break any rules?
remember that most people cheat/lie/steal, they just dont get caught.AndreYang, Hiwa, eXtremetweaker.de, KJ and Skinnee cheaters
you never break any rules?
maybe but never in a global competition......remember that most people cheat/lie/steal, they just dont get caught.
you never break any rules?
lol... but about WHAT?remember that most people cheat/lie/steal, they just dont get caught.
you never break any rules?
Jonny, what did you eat at school with your lunch money?
Pops, I had the salad, fruit and chicken strips.
(Reality, Jonny ate the Pizza, Ho Ho's and a Mountain Dew)
I think there are different levels of cheat/lie steal... lol.
In my country the punishment of the seller (of something illegal) is even higher than the buyer.
It's a shame that someone like Hiwa, a great overclocker and friend of so many people here have done this.
It's a shame such a case occurring in this community.
In the first posts I did here, armed with great indignation, I asked the eternal ban of all involved.
I believe not everyone should have the same penalty but I did not decide the fate of anyone.
The only thing I can tell you now is that the feeling of shame is one of the worst sentimental than a human can feel.
Had not taken that into consideration, but beyond the ban, they have to undergo this shame and this may be the worst of punishments.
That this never happens again, and if a year from now banned the return, they serve as a lesson for them and for others, so that this fact never happen within our community
In my opinion by the time HWBOT launched, it is continuously destroying the overclocking spirit. I miss the good old days when there where no cheats but hardware tricks. Clever hard-mods instead of foolish and ridiculous renames. Now, everyone with big wallet and sponsor's backup is able to hit the top of the world - qualified & certified.
I'm sick of benching due to this cheat stuff. Overclocking has a god damned purpose: Push you hardware to the limit and utilize your maximum hardware efficiency. Last time I checked, more and more people are trying to cheat the software as to manage a better run/score. As a result the performance remains pretty much the same but the score is a cruncked up enough for a better place at the ranking list.
There is still a major difference. To seek for maximum performance whereas they are point-hunters. All I can say to the OC community is: WAKE UP ! Point to the moon and not the finger.
I cant agree with that opinion, lifetime ban is nonsense..all people deserves a 2nd chance.AndreYang, Hiwa, eXtremetweaker.de, KJ and Skinnee cheaters
Its hard enough for them that the community calls them Cheaters.
So plz give them a chance to come back.
And the other point. I cant speak for the Andre, Hiwa and Skinnee bcs i do not know them very well but i can for Afrokalle.
First of all he is part of the Team eXtremetweaker.de, so its not correct to call the whole Team "Cheaters".
There is not one single Score on hwbot from them, which was not made by their own hardware.
Ralf for example did not uploaded one Score, from the Computex, where he benched with SR2 and stuff like that.
I agree that he did a mistake with using a score not done by himself for the Futuremark Competition....so a disqualification in that tournament is correct, but its not to ban extreamtweaker.de in hwbot.
I also do not understand, why they got baned here.
Everyone is talking about them, and they have no chance to give answers.
I think thats a kind of childish...they are all grown-up persons....lets talk about that and find a solution TOGETHER.
Where courage, motivation and ignorance meet, a persistent idiot awakens.
So it's all HWbot's fault, siliest thing I ever read... it's still the person that submits the scores that takes full responsability of his actions... not the website or competition hosting his scores...
!! YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE OF YOUR OWN ACTIONS !! Don't point the finger at the moon, point it at yaself...
Question : Why do some overclockers switch into d*ckmode when money is involved
Remark : They call me Pro AsusSaaya yupp, I agree
As most of you know I consider Xs my "home"
I've learned much here over the last almost 5 years and met many great people.
Now as most don't know I stepped down from staff asI needed some time away from the pressures and duties the job involves.
Today I asked Charles to reinstate me JUST so I could come and ban this slimey piece of garbage.
SIX posts and all today and all slamming this forum that I love.
Sayonara you idiot!
Crunch with us, the XS WCG team
The XS WCG team needs your support.
A good project with good goals.
Come join us,get that warm fuzzy feeling that you've done something good for mankind.
I don't think you need to say anything, your sig sums it all up
My pot is bigger than your pot
WHAU!!!!
Good to see you're back mate!
![](http://www.hwbot.org/signature/u15466.png height="110" )
You are biased Don_Dan as you bench for XS lol... Movieman is not a human !! it's an overclocked CIA machine that analysed words as Bomb and co before, now in a reprogrammed version it looks for F words and co :p
You forgot my avatar :pI don't think you need to say anything, your sig sums it all up
Last edited by Leeghoofd; 07-22-2010 at 12:45 PM.
Question : Why do some overclockers switch into d*ckmode when money is involved
Remark : They call me Pro Asus
No,Movieman is just a 58 year old blue collar guy that likes dualies and this forum but lately life has tossed some things my way that take up time.
Being an active admin here means being able to devote at least 3-4 hours a day for helping,fixing,moving,moderating,etc and I didn't feel I had that to give so I stepped down temporarily.
What I saw today told me it was time to step back in.
What's happenned is sad,people I know and respected involved(Skinee) but regardless of what happenned I will not sit by and watch some POS dump on the staff and the forum in general.
Overall Xs is the best place in the world that I've seen for cutting edge knowledge, posted by people who know what they are doing and many who set out just to help the less knowledable learn.
Then to Charles, huge investment in time and money to make this place work.
Far more than most could ever dream of.
Yea, it's my home and as the kids say,Nobody "disses" it. Period.
Crunch with us, the XS WCG team
The XS WCG team needs your support.
A good project with good goals.
Come join us,get that warm fuzzy feeling that you've done something good for mankind.
Sometimes dissing is good to rethink strategies, point of views, etc... but since you are 4 times my age Dave I'll let you have it your way :p
Question : Why do some overclockers switch into d*ckmode when money is involved
Remark : They call me Pro Asus
To me, as someone who is new to overclocking, this really leaves a bad impression. Why would i want to do competitive overclocking when the chances of me doing well are skewed by somebody cheating? It becomes hard t enjoy when there isn't a level playing field. imo. Now i know not everyone in the community is a cheater but the fact remains.
I have to give Skinnee credit for admitting what he did wrong and taking his punishment. But, honestly, i don't understand why there are no repercussions for Vapor who was with him. Ultimately, the decision is up to FUGGER, but like i said, i believe in a level playing field
A big difference between a discussion and being disrespectful.
This guy had an agenda. Just go to his user page and look at the posts.
Nothing but hate there my friend.
People like that add nothing to this place and he's now history.
Many others have today voiced how they feel both pro and con but no attacking the site or management itself.
Ok,maybe Dinos22, but he's an Aussie and we cut them some slack!
Crunch with us, the XS WCG team
The XS WCG team needs your support.
A good project with good goals.
Come join us,get that warm fuzzy feeling that you've done something good for mankind.
Me?Come on Albrecht, I'm just posting my honest opinion, you should know that by now!
And be careful about stating your age, someone might believe it... again.
Woah.. this thread makes me very dissapointed.
The same situation. We've got #4 score in Euroregion. Till no cheating was discovered everything was fine - I with my teammate thought we lost in Fair battle - it's life and it's about the spirit of any OC competition.
Now, after reading all the info - some unpleasant feelings and thoughts "what if... any other guys do/did some sharing etc. over there, there and there?"..
Till the story happened I even didn't think abouth that in all this scale.
Completely agree with Movieman
Actually it would be much better for the community if no cheating happened. I would rather not go to Taipei for this.
Hope that all the rest will consider this shame in mind and will think carefully before some dirty games.
Community lost several great overclockers, lost some spirit. But another spirit was born. At least now it is more clear about who is who in the game.
Guys who do OC as a hobby and for themselves in first won't dissapear anyway.
Lately I thought I have seen it all, but this is oh so ironic....Frankly, I know what these guys did is ugly, and I do not agree with it in any way. But I do not think this is worst then a cheat. Andre is a guy with flaws, but he also has goodness in him. Yes, he did a mistake. Hiwa is a guy with flaws, but he also had goodness in him. Yes, he did a mistake too. They should both be punished in order to learn from their mistake, and reconsider they way in which they see themselves in this OC scene. However, they should have the chance to prove that they learned something.
We however, should be more concerned about their motivation. There are a lot of ugly things happening, and some we punish, others we don't. How many guys with flaws, and with goodness in them, that did a mistake, are around us, not punished, without the chance to learn from their mistake and reconsider the way in which they see themselves in this OC scene? Is this fair? I don't know, but it is so ironic
Weissbier - breakfast of champions
Vapor was simply benching with Skinee. Vapor didnt post the score, Skinee did so get your facts straight.Why hasn't there been anything about Vapor even though he was there at the time?
Yes but nowadays who can we trust . . . . To clarify things, I do not accuse HWBOT or Massman who quoted me above (hehe). I accuse the point-to-point spirit of HWBOT, not the stuff who work and maintain the website. It makes no sense to accuse them, it's freaking obvious man.
Look around, there are people who actually SELL scores. Do you understand how bad the situation is ? I mean, what's next ? All systems are corrupted. No one is saint or angel thus all we have cheated in the past, except Jesus Christ. People who maintain HWBOT scores are humans, not gods. Not perfect. Not judgers.
So, seeing all this holy craps doing around how do you expect me to believe that 'this' or 'that' score is actually real and not fake ? Do you think that only these five guys are cheating over there ? Hohoho, thousands are cheating, more or less. Even the software tweaking is minor early stage of a cheat. It's practically impossible to moderate all the scores and investigate each situation separately.
I mean yeah, HWBOT stuff is working over there trying to host a global ranking list. That's good, that helps people to contribute back to society. That's a really brilliant idea, but hey.... I smell sponsors. I smell money and that leads me to corruption.
Do you think that anyone of these guys should risk their reputation for just a foolish place or score ? I do not things so. Personally, if I had to cheat like this, I surely won't do this for free. Do you ? Ask yourself and find out the answer
Also, ask yourself another question: How do these people know that Andre is selling scores ? Four people knew that the the exact same time. It's not by accident. So, covering all this I end to a conclusion that HWBOT is not a simple plain pure and fair ranking list. They trying with lot's of efforts to do that but the existence of this thread implies the opposite. The cheaters overpass the limits this time.
For some users are great to compare their bench-results contrary to other people's scores. That all good
But I had foreseen that by the enter of sponsors, HWBOT is already becoming a place that some people can actually gain money and bring at profit. It's a job for them. Selling scores, selling tweaks, selling ES, selling friends and selling honesty. Every thing has its price man.
You simply cannot stop this. You can moderate it, but not stop it. That's Massman and HWBOT people are trying hard to do. I wish for them to find a way that no one can cheat, yet I think it's impossible. Again I DO NOT ACCUSE HWBOT people, I accuse the the spirit of hunting points with SPONSORING. Remove the money from the game, and you may win this fight. But are you willing to loose your pocket because a crazy Dr.Paneas is shouting over a forum ? Haha, lol.
Ok, so we ban them for one year. Lesson taught: Next year you can cheat again
So, every time I see another WR, just clap clap and thumbs up and everyone is uber happy.
Sorry for the long post. I've just wanted to tell my point of view as a member and overclocker.
Does anyone besides me that just loves overclocking for the sake of overclocking?
Regardless of the bad things that happen in the community, as this happens in every community, I just enjoy overclocking. Be it with friends, unknown competitors online or in live competitions ... I just love to push hardware to the max and see where it yields me. Why would I stop overclocking because if four guys that got caught?
I do it because I love it.
Where courage, motivation and ignorance meet, a persistent idiot awakens.
ABSOLUTE AGREED Peter. "I do it because I love it", that's the spirit man. Let me add this:
When the power of love overclocking with friends overcomes the love of power overclocking for money, the HWBOT and our community will know peace.
What you don't seem to get is that "money" isn't the cause of all problems. It's honor, e-penis, girls ... whatever strives man to cheat. Sometimes it can be as retarted as getting more people to like you.
Where courage, motivation and ignorance meet, a persistent idiot awakens.
Yea, I do.. I know..Movieman agrees with me?
I don't bench often as it takes time away from my DC work but when I do I have a ball with it..adjust,tweak, no that doesn't work, ok,try this and on and on.. Makes you think and examine the entire system looking for flaws and opportunities and last, it teaches you a greater understanding of how all the systems integrate.. Yea, I greatly enjoy those times..
Crunch with us, the XS WCG team
The XS WCG team needs your support.
A good project with good goals.
Come join us,get that warm fuzzy feeling that you've done something good for mankind.
Posting Permissions
Bookmarks