Sandy Bridge: Preliminary Clocks Revealed?

[Johnny87au]

We shouldn't exchange these CPUs with the high-end.

We get performance and mainstream CPUs in this round, but high-end Sandy Bridge is expected much later, in Q3 2011 according to current info.

Thank you, sandybridge is just to replace the 1156's.. Hope they bring out the high end sandy bridge cpu's before 2011

[Hondacity]

an hexa/octo-core version of SB will replace the current i7s, not the dual/quad-core models expected for early 2011

octo-core in 2012?

[=SOC= Admiral]

This isnt the best move for Intel to make seeing as their competition is starting by releasing their new architecture with 8 cores 16 threads in the beginning of the year. The Bulldozer architecture also has the AVX so Intel had better hope their CPUs Clock like nuts.

[Dalten]

This isnt the best move for Intel to make seeing as their competition is starting by releasing their new architecture with 8 cores 16 threads in the beginning of the year. The Bulldozer architecture also has the AVX so Intel had better hope their CPUs Clock like nuts.

Even if nobody wanted the new intel chips over the new amd chips, intel would still sell more by virtue of their manufacturing edge they have over amd. Intel survived Athlon 64 on sheer marketing and manufacturing alone. Intel also advertises, so they have that brand name zing, while AMD... are f'ing retards when it comes to advertising their products. AMD could seriously take Nvidia to task if they would just start advertising Radeon graphics as a brand name... instead Nvidia is still the brand name in the mind of the uninformed.

[dartaz]

This isnt the best move for Intel to make seeing as their competition is starting by releasing their new architecture with 8 cores 16 threads in the beginning of the year. The Bulldozer architecture also has the AVX so Intel had better hope their CPUs Clock like nuts.

16 threads !?

Bulldozer don't support hyperthreading. Please do some research

[wuttz]

Intel survived Athlon 64 on sheer marketing and manufacturing alone.

i think you're missing out on one dirty B word.

[Hornet331]

you linked a bad comparison to make your point, ended up reinforcing saaya's instead

The i7 870 has a higher Turbo freq (3.6 vs 3.2Ghz) , and not all those tests are fully multithreaded.. ones that are do show a few percent on avg higher performance on Bloomfield :p

Then compare it with the 950, same multi in turbo with load higher then 2 cores, nearly the same results.

[=SOC= Admiral]

16 threads !?

Bulldozer don't support hyperthreading. Please do some research

Its not Hyperthreading. AMD is using their Cluster Core design which is 2 sets of execution units fused between 2 128bit FP schedulers (AVX). Each set of execution units gets its own thread. Hence one Cluster Core and 2 threads. Bulldozers full design calls for 8 Cluster Cores and 16 threads And shared L3 between all cores.

Intel seems to be keeping with their same tried and true system but on a new architecture.

[wuttz]

AMD is using their Cluster Core design which is 2 sets of execution units fused between 2 128bit FP schedulers (AVX).

execution units are "pipelines." 8 for int and 2 for fpu(FMAC) per "cluster core."

keep in mind that top-end BD will only have 8 cores, 8 threads, 4 "cluster cores" for desktop(zambezi).

16 cores, 16 threads, 8 "cluster cores" is interlagos. a server part only.

SB 3Q 2011 top-end desktop will be capable of 8x256 bit AVX(although MADD only; or 8x128 bit fpu.)

[=SOC= Admiral]

Their whole naming and designation scheme has gone every-witch way, thats why i was slightly messed up with my info. After reading a lot more in some different places its slightly clearer but cant wait till next months info dump. Hope Bulldozer clocks like these Hex cores do. But the 2011 round of the Intel VS AMD should be very interesting.

[-Sweeper_]

octo-core in 2012?

q3/2011

[Johnny87au]

Their whole naming and designation scheme has gone every-witch way, thats why i was slightly messed up with my info. After reading a lot more in some different places its slightly clearer but cant wait till next months info dump. Hope Bulldozer clocks like these Hex cores do. But the 2011 round of the Intel VS AMD should be very interesting.

Yeh my bet is intel >amd like it has for the last few years

[saaya]

Did you say that it is same clock as the current chip ?

i7 860 is 2.8GHz, and i7 870 is only 2.93Ghz !

those are ancient 45nm lynnfield chips, big deal...
compare it to a 32nm chip ie the i5 600 series and suddenly those clocks dont look very impressive at all...
an i5 680 comes clocked at 3.6ghz, and no, thats the default clock, not turbo mode...
sb looks like a quadcore clarkdale with better igp, but who cares about 2 more cores and igp? :/

lets face it, in a normal usage scenario you wont be able to tell a sb and clarkdale machine apart...

Also, SB is supposed to have better performance per clock, and better performance per watt

yeah like 6% and who cares about power in a desktop machine... :P

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/46?vs=107

lynnfield has the exact same performance as bloomfield, there are only very very few apps where the additional bandwidth helps bloomfield... get your facts right.

1. i talked about ipc, and not the performance of cpu a vs b, what intel decides to bin turbo mode at etc has nothing to do with what a cpu design is capable of
2. at stock speed and looking at the cpu level perf with turbo mode and all, yeah, but when overclocked even that comparison shows a lead of gulftown/bloomfield.

[Hornet331]

again, if you talk about IPC they are the same.

Bloomfield sometimes has advantages when there are apps that need lots of bandwidth, but in general they have the same IPC if you remove that advantage by running bloomfield in dualchannle mode they performe exactly the same.

Again get your facts right.

[FlanK3r]

its harder got stock 3.6 GHz six or octa cores than dualcores...and TDP up to 130W too

[herderien]

where is my LGA 1366 32nm 260€ cpu :'(

*still dreaming*

[saaya]

Thank you, sandybridge is just to replace the 1156's..

sb is a cost down of 1155 for OEMs...

Bloomfield sometimes has advantages when there are apps that need lots of bandwidth, but in general they have the same IPC if you remove that advantage by running bloomfield in dualchannle mode they performe exactly the same.

remember 30h6's clarkdale review?
i dont know if the efficiency has improved now that everybody knows how to tweak the gmch and push for high qpi... at stock speeds maybe... but when overclocked... i dont think so... why do you think all top scores are still done on 1366 and 1156 is waaaaay behind?

Again get your facts right.

god, you just love wearing your 4ss as your hat, dont you? ^^

[OhNoes!]

god, you just love wearing your 4ss as your hat, dont you? ^^

Wish I could get away with a comment a like that. Oh well, maybe when I get 34,000 posts.

[Hornet331]

sb is a cost down of 1155 for OEMs...


remember 30h6's clarkdale review?
i dont know if the efficiency has improved now that everybody knows how to tweak the gmch and push for high qpi... at stock speeds maybe... but when overclocked... i dont think so... why do you think all top scores are still done on 1366 and 1156 is waaaaay behind?

Because there are some limitations for socket S1156, e.g power layout of the socket iteself, the obviouse dual vs tripple channle and more pci-e lanes and some other minor detail, which makes S1336 the better ocing platform for extreme ocing. But this doesn't change the fact that they have the same IPC.

If you look even closer, you see that normal 9xx dont clock much higher then the 8xx (check records on hwbot, they are all ~5,7-5,8ghz the exeptions are the 975 and the 980

god, you just love wearing your 4ss as your hat, dont you? ^^

Yes I do, the facts are there I just pointed them out. It's not my fault that they don't match with your opinion...

[SoF]

I think they'll be interesting and hope to get my hands on 'em early Liked 670's for Pi and frequency shots, sandybridge might be doing good there

[Johnny87au]

sb is a cost down of 1155 for OEMs...

Do you know when they will replace the 1366 high end bloomfield's? or yet nehalem?????

[saaya]

Wish I could get away with a comment a like that. Oh well, maybe when I get 34,000 posts.

what, im calling him rude, whats wrong with that? i didnt mean it as an insult and i dont think he saw it as one...
hornet?

Because there are some limitations for socket S1156, e.g power layout of the socket iteself, the obviouse dual vs tripple channle and more pci-e lanes and some other minor detail, which makes S1336 the better ocing platform for extreme ocing. But this doesn't change the fact that they have the same IPC.

compare the highest scores of 1156 and 1366... there is a pretty huge gap, not just 5% or 10%...

If you look even closer, you see that normal 9xx dont clock much higher then the 8xx (check records on hwbot, they are all ~5,7-5,8ghz the exeptions are the 975 and the 980

well thats rather a hint that the extra vcc and vss pins dont really matter all that much, doesnt it?

Yes I do, the facts are there I just pointed them out. It's not my fault that they don't match with your opinion...

no, i agree, you were right, the ipc at stock clocks is about the same for 1156 and 1366... what i meant is that you seem to really enjoy pointing out that i was wrong

Do you know when they will replace the 1366 high end bloomfield's? or yet nehalem?????

thats still a bit ahead... 10 core, 4 channel will come in q2 a far as i know. and yes, there are already plans for dual socket highend boards... seem like evgas sr2 has motivated intel to bring skulltrail back to live
i really dont see the point in a 20 core 40 thread 8 channel highend platform though when its hard to find a game that uses more than 3 threads and scales with more than 2 channels... actually most games barely scale when you go from single to dual channel, hah...

for crunchers who want plenty of cores sb will be interesting, same goes for servers... i just really really hope the dualcore mobile sb chips wont dissapoint... mobile clarkdales offer better performance than culv but you lose 1-2h battery life, which for me just isnt worth it...

[-Sweeper_]

thats still a bit ahead... 10 core, 4 channel will come in q2 a far as i know. and yes, there are already plans for dual socket highend boards... seem like evgas sr2 has motivated intel to bring skulltrail back to live
i really dont see the point in a 20 core 40 thread 8 channel highend platform though when its hard to find a game that uses more than 3 threads and scales with more than 2 channels... actually most games barely scale when you go from single to dual channel, hah...

for crunchers who want plenty of cores sb will be interesting, same goes for servers... i just really really hope the dualcore mobile sb chips wont dissapoint... mobile clarkdales offer better performance than culv but you lose 1-2h battery life, which for me just isnt worth it...

10-core SB? i thought they'd just release an octo-core and westmere-EX (10-core)...

[Loque]

aww hell no !

not going to upgrade this soon again.. stop making new stuff intel !

[saaya]

10-core SB? i thought they'd just release an octo-core and westmere-EX (10-core)...

i heard its more than 8 and i dont think itll be 12, so...