Sandy Bridge: Preliminary Clocks Revealed?

[Johnny87au]

i heard its more than 8 and i dont think itll be 12, so...

jesus christ, 10 core yet their still bringing out the 990x..

[Hornet331]

what, im calling him rude, whats wrong with that? i didnt mean it as an insult and i dont think he saw it as one...
hornet?

what insult... :p

compare the highest scores of 1156 and 1366... there is a pretty huge gap, not just 5% or 10%...

only if you compare it to the 980x, but this baby plays in its own league. All the 45nm nehalems are quite in line on cpu bound benchmarks, when you start looking at vantage the table turn, thx to more pci-e lanes for SLi/CF.

no, i agree, you were right, the ipc at stock clocks is about the same for 1156 and 1366... what i meant is that you seem to really enjoy pointing out that i was wrong

Look at the benchmarks i provided, there you have a i7 9xx and a i7 8xx clocked @ 4ghz and the perform tha same. It doesn't matter what what clock they run, stock or overclocked. If IPC is the same you performance is determined by max achivable clockrate and there S1336 has the edge compared to S1156.

And no im no enjoying it to correct someone who is wrong...actually its a pain in the ass, cause I have to find data and I am a lazy fella...

[RPGWiZaRD]

Can't decide, search for a better i7-860 CPU (atm running 4.0GHz 1.392v / 1.36v load HT off cuz of summer temp probs, max 77C at this config) or just wait til SB arrives and upgrade? Money isn't a problem atm so I don't care if I wouldn't gain that much. Would be nice to know how well SB overclocks. ^^

I'm not interested in the 8(+) core versions myself, I can't seem myself be in need of more than 4 cores for quite a while.

[trn]

i heard its more than 8 and i dont think itll be 12, so...

Bring on the cores!

But really, how does Intel plan to fit 10 cores on a desktop (non EX) socket without a 22nm 'tock'? 6 Westmere cores already span 32nm, SB will be 32nm for a while until they shrink down to 22nm.

Are SB cores smaller or arranged differently?

[-Sweeper_]

Bring on the cores!

But really, how does Intel plan to fit 10 cores on a desktop (non EX) socket without a 22nm 'tock'? 6 Westmere cores already span 32nm, SB will be 32nm for a while until they shrink down to 22nm.

Are SB cores smaller or arranged differently?

yeah, nehalem cores measure 24mm², while SB cores shall be more like ~20mm²

the desktop SB quad-core + IGP will end up with 65w TDP

an octo-core and even a 10-core processor without the graphics part is totally possible...

[Johnny87au]

yeah, nehalem cores measure 24mm², while SB cores shall be more like ~20mm²

the desktop SB quad-core + IGP will end up with 65w TDP

an octo-core and even a 10-core processor without the graphics part is totally possible...

Definately low end cpu's if thats the case

[Johnny87au]

Only changes from i7 to sandybridge are listed below..
Sandy Bridge DT (LGA 1155) will be a direct replacement for Core i5/i7 LGA 1156, but I doubt whether the owner of the latter would bother too much with the upgrade since the only notable differences are :
(1) a few new instruction sets, the most notable being AVX, that will still require software to be written to take advantage of them-probably around the two-year timeframe for AVX usage to become anything more than a novelty
(2) native SATA 6Gb support, as opposed to a third party onboard controller chip.
(3) Upgraded DMI (4 lanes PCI-E v2.0 for "Southbridge" duties)
The new chipset retains the dual channel DDR3-1333 (official support) and sixteen lanes of PCI-E 2.0 that the P55 enjoys.
So, LGA 1366/X58 will remain the enthusiast setup of choice* until Sandy Bridge B2 (LGA 2011) launches in late 2011.

* Depending upon whether Bulldozer mounts any worthwhile challenge, assuming it launches before LGA 2011....not a given at this stage.


Would really love to see how their native 6gb support scales to the gimmicky current third party onboard controllers?

[-Sweeper_]

So, LGA 1366/X58 will remain the enthusiast setup of choice* until Sandy Bridge B2 (LGA 2011) launches in late 2011.

Q3, not late 2011.

[FlanK3r]

whats bull*hit? What i know, EX Sandy Bridge for highend s1355 and 8c/16t, not more

[Zed_X]

whats bull*hit? What i know, EX Sandy Bridge for highend s1355 and 8c/16t, not more

No, you are completely wrong, Johnny87au is right. Next enthusiast platform will be LGA 2011, till will be High-end X58+Core i7

[FlanK3r]

I thought 2011 is only for server segment...? (s1155 mainstream and lower highend, s1355 new highend, 2011 server). 2011 pins will too crazy and big chip (how large L3 cache than?)

[Zed_X]

yet it will be huge chip, but quad-channel, new logics, 8+ cores, 32 pci-e bridge needs more pins and bigger silicon then 1366 now.

[Hornet331]

yet it will be huge chip, but quad-channel, new logics, 8+ cores, 32 pci-e bridge needs more pins and bigger silicon then 1366 now.

Your talking about Sand Bridge EX aka replacement for nehalem EX... thats no enthuisast platform but rather a replacement for 4P+ server.

[Zed_X]

he asked for EX

[Hornet331]

he asked for EX

Ehhh.. not really S1336 will be replaced by Socket S1356 , Wikipedia is wrong in this regard, since it makes no sense to have such a huge socket for normal uniprocessor server and highend desktop.

S1156-> S1155
S1336-> S1356
S1567-> S2011

Three segements three sockets.

Why should intel suddenly change a scheme that worked for the last decade.

[Johnny87au]

hornet i strongly disagree with you here, I highly doubt the 1366's >1356.. 1356 is the new sandybridge socket which will be high end , say 6/8/10 cores.. not sure but im assuming 6-8 cores..

[PatRaceTin]

i assume 1356 same size heatsink hole as 1366????


would 1356 still tripple ch. ddr3 or it would go to quad ch. ddr3????

[Johnny87au]

i assume 1356 same size heatsink hole as 1366????


would 1356 still tripple ch. ddr3 or it would go to quad ch. ddr3????

Not sure mate, definately gonna be 8core/12threads though.. Cant wait

[FlanK3r]

what about L3 size chache for LG1356 ?

[fellix_bg]

LGA1356 will probably harbor salvage parts from the full-scale LGA2011 (quad channel) Sandy Bridge processors.

[Hornet331]

hornet i strongly disagree with you here, I highly doubt the 1366's >1356.. 1356 is the new sandybridge socket which will be high end , say 6/8/10 cores.. not sure but im assuming 6-8 cores..

Uhhh... we where talking about the new enthusiast platform.. and if you belive intel makes the new MP platform the new enthusiast platform then you couldn't be more wrong. Mother board prices would be insane due to strict desgin requirements, ocing will be next to impossible...

The rumored S1356 has the same target field as the current S1336 -> Singel or Dual socket boards for highend desktop and workstations/lowend servers.

S2011 is the MP platform for 4 Socket+ with the chance for some 2S boards.

It makes no sense that intel extends MP platform down to singel socket workstations...

[Johnny87au]

Im not exactly sure what you mean by MP platform... As far as my knowledge lets me go i know their is alot of changes which in no way targets the same idea of the 1336.. As for expensive mobo's yes unfortunately people will have to upgrade mobo's but CPU's will be fine..

[Hornet331]

Im not exactly sure what you mean by MP platform... As far as my knowledge lets me go i know their is alot of changes which in no way targets the same idea of the 1336.. As for expensive mobo's yes unfortunately people will have to upgrade mobo's but CPU's will be fine..

MP = Multi Processor -> 4sockets+
DP = Dual Processor -> 2 sockets
UP =Uni Processor -> one socket

You should know this when you talk about this kind of stuff, since is basic knowledge.

Hell, Intel even uses this as there official nomenclature for there cpus...

Enthusiasts wont get S2011 cause its the MP platform aka Sandybridge EX, why do you want stuff like hardware RAS and other reliability related features that come with a hefty price tag for consumers...

[FlanK3r]

i cant understand chinese lang., but here is some new video about SB
Sandybridge OC?

[OhNoes!]

i cant understand chinese lang., but here is some new video about SB
Sandybridge OC?

Thanks for the link. Here are some slides from the video...