[Computex 2010]AMD to show Fusion tomorrow

[JohnJohn]

Hi guys, are we sure that ontario is 100% cpu+gpu in the same die or maybe is a clarkdale kind of accommodation? because those dies are awfully tiny, maybe they are only the cpus? and the gpus are made at tsmc 40nm?

I mean if amd can pull off that kind of performance in 75mm? that would be extremely impressive

[mAJORD]

They're 32nm yeah? so I doubt at ~75mm it'd be just the CPU.

After all, 512KB L2 Dual core K10 @ 32nm would be around that small /smaller.

-edit, and another thing to ponder. Has AMD been able to shrink the memory controller more successfully on 32nm? and what about Cache Density?

Both taking up a huge amount of space on Regor and propus reletive to the cores themselves. There were some figures around last yr that showed promise for Cache Density at least

[Chumbucket843]

They're 32nm yeah? so I doubt at ~75mm it'd be just the CPU.

After all, 512KB L2 Dual core K10 @ 32nm would be around that small /smaller.

ontario is 40nm. not much is known but bobcat is a fully synthesized design so dont expect amazing efficiency. they'll certainly be able to add more sram with tsmc though. im pretty sure tsmc also has better support for SoC's too.

[Dresdenboy]

From the same page, AMD's Ontario wafer:

BTW, the case looks like those being used by GF (in some cases):

(http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/16343/1/)

[superrugal]

BTW, the case looks like those being used by GF (in some cases):

(http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/16343/1/)

The wafer showed by FUD was 32nm SOI.

[Lightman]

Enclosure can be standard across many fabs. But I don't know so the possibility is there!
I wonder how late GloFo 40nm bulk will compare to TSMC 40nm HP bulk.
GloFo is late to the party and first bulk development since long time but it might just be better than competition.

[Chumbucket843]

there is no high power 40nm offering from global foundries and from their roadmaps it doesnt look like they will have one. all of their highest performance processes will be using SOI so that makes it hard to compare them to tsmc's nodes. although their other nodes are still bulk.

[Dresdenboy]

The wafer showed by FUD was 32nm SOI.

That's correct, but this was not my point. I mentioned the case/enclosure.

Enclosure can be standard across many fabs. But I don't know so the possibility is there!
I wonder how late GloFo 40nm bulk will compare to TSMC 40nm HP bulk.
GloFo is late to the party and first bulk development since long time but it might just be better than competition.

Only TSMC is interesting here. I was looking for photos of TSMC wafer presentations. If there was an enclosure, it had a rather simplistic design.

BTW, did Rick say, that this is a 40nm wafer? To my knowledge, this is just speculation, because he mentioned the low power Fusion processor and netbooks. Also the performance looks like what we might expect from Ontario. OTOH 40nm LP should be ready at GF:
http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/img/pc...l/017.jpg.html

there is no high power 40nm offering from global foundries and from their roadmaps it doesnt look like they will have one. all of their highest performance processes will be using SOI so that makes it hard to compare them to tsmc's nodes. although their other nodes are still bulk.

40 nm HP is not needed. 40 nm LP is the appropriate process as linked above and here:
http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/img/pc...ml/10.jpg.html

[terrace215]

terrace215 you are not seriously implying that AMD has some hidden wood screws here? While there is some validity to your questions and we would like to see the system board Fusion is running on and its TDP, its hard to imagine that company like AMD would only have bluff on their hands.

I submit the AMD "Barcelona QC running at 3 GHz" demo as counterpoint. AMD has, in the past, been willing to purposely create... let's say, "overly optimistic"... impressions.

But anyhow, more interesting may be "what's up with the Llano no-show in terms of a public demo?"

And the ongoing complete public silence on the status of Bulldozer, supposedly "for competitive reasons" (Yeah, right!)

Well, maybe IDF will shake some info out of AMD in September, if the analysts don't get it in July.

[MrMojoZ]

I submit the AMD "Barcelona QC running at 3 GHz" demo as counterpoint. AMD has, in the past, been willing to purposely create... let's say, "overly optimistic"... impressions.

But anyhow, more interesting may be "what's up with the Llano no-show in terms of a public demo?"

And the ongoing complete public silence on the status of Bulldozer, supposedly "for competitive reasons" (Yeah, right!)

Well, maybe IDF will shake some info out of AMD in September, if the analysts don't get it in July.

Haven't you said all of this before?

[demonkevy666]

I submit the AMD "Barcelona QC running at 3 GHz" demo as counterpoint. AMD has, in the past, been willing to purposely create... let's say, "overly optimistic"... impressions.

But anyhow, more interesting may be "what's up with the Llano no-show in terms of a public demo?"

And the ongoing complete public silence on the status of Bulldozer, supposedly "for competitive reasons" (Yeah, right!)

Well, maybe IDF will shake some info out of AMD in September, if the analysts don't get it in July.

haven't seen a sandybridge board either. :p

[jakefalcons]

Given amds recent track record im sure they will do fine. I think they learned their lesson with phenom and have slowly but surely gotten themselves back on track.

[muziqaz]

How hard is it to understand? From the PR point of view if you have slower part which makes everyone to say wow on your hand why would you want to show faster part. if slower product is already drawing so.much attention and interest, what is the point of showing the faster stuff publicly. We know that they showed Llano behind the closed doors and we know that partners already have samples. If I had a low power product so impressive as Ontario demo showed, I would also keep high power stuff closer to myself and let the competition think: What the f**k are they going to do to us with performance parts if low powered stuff is doing things like that??

[slaveondope]

Im buying 300 shares of AMD sometime this week

[Chumbucket843]

40 nm HP is not needed. 40 nm LP is the appropriate process as linked above and here:
http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/img/pc...ml/10.jpg.html

why not? im not specifically referring to ontario or any specific processor, just the nodes in general. i still think tsmc is very competitive with glofo in every way. sure people put tsmc in a bad light for their yields but that wouldnt be such a problem if ATi and nvidia were not so "aggressive" for lack of a better word.

[Kal El]

Im buying 300 shares of AMD sometime this week

why? is this fusion so much good?

[slaveondope]

why? is this fusion so much good?

Not just "Fusion" but the up coming ATI 6 series, Bulldozer, Llano, and Ontario. Im expecting a good year for AMD in 2011 and I figure I might as well ride the wave. *crosses fingers* Then bail out when Intel fights back

[FischOderAal]

Given amds recent track record im sure they will do fine. I think they learned their lesson with phenom and have slowly but surely gotten themselves back on track.

Every track record is meant to be broken sometime. But I agree, AMD seems to have learned it's lessons and changed for the better.

[Kal El]

Not just "Fusion" but the up coming ATI 6 series, Bulldozer, Llano, and Ontario. Im expecting a good year for AMD in 2011 and I figure I might as well ride the wave. *crosses fingers* Then bail out when Intel fights back

Every track record is meant to be broken sometime. But I agree, AMD seems to have learned it's lessons and changed for the better.

i do not understand? from what i have learned in my correspondence with OhNoes!, amd has not been more better than Intel, and most likely will not be? does amd have better now with fusion?

[Solus Corvus]

Past performance isn't necessarily an indicator of future performance. Any company can mess up - AMD, Intel, Nvidia, Microsoft, IBM, etc.

i do not understand? from what i have learned in my correspondence with OhNoes!, amd has not been more better than Intel, and most likely will not be? does amd have better now with fusion?

Intel has the faster chips right now. It hasn't always been the case in the past and won't necessarily be the case in the future. Anyone who is claiming to know how Bulldozer and Sandy Bridge will compare to each other is probably displaying a case of wishful thinking, extreme speculation, etc.

[haylui]

I submit the AMD "Barcelona QC running at 3 GHz" demo as counterpoint. AMD has, in the past, been willing to purposely create... let's say, "overly optimistic"... impressions.

But anyhow, more interesting may be "what's up with the Llano no-show in terms of a public demo?"

And the ongoing complete public silence on the status of Bulldozer, supposedly "for competitive reasons" (Yeah, right!)

Well, maybe IDF will shake some info out of AMD in September, if the analysts don't get it in July.

recently AMD is showing something realistic rather than over optimistic
Look at the launch of Istanbul, Thuban and Deneb;
your link to the barcelona post is like fanboi act

[madcho]

avp demo is very impressive. i hope AMD has done a monster. We need PC that can run 10h of 3D.

[duploxxx]

i do not understand? from what i have learned in my correspondence with OhNoes!, amd has not been more better than Intel, and most likely will not be? does amd have better now with fusion?

well the problem is what you believe when you email with some people and certainly when you mention this:


in my correspondence with OhNoes!

[MrMojoZ]

So we've learned so far:
1. Intel fanboys hate AMD for no particular reason.
2. Ontario and Llano might be good chips for their intended purpose.

[Manicdan]

So we've learned so far:
1. Intel fanboys hate AMD for no particular reason.
2. Ontario and Llano might be good chips for their intended purpose.

3. 2010 is feeling so very long of a year