"8800GT effect" not with GTX 460, but with GTX 465

[saaya]

The 5 in GTX 465 indicates a double-GPU to me. Maybe nVidia is trying to cut the power/heat by cutting the number of cores to make a 460x2 ?

right, like the 285 and 275 :P
-5 only means updated and higher performance than -0 in nvidia branding

I don't know either, just guessing like you. But 2 single-GPU that apparently are very close to each other at the same time, doesn't sounds like a logical move (for nVidia's sales numbers), unless something really fishy is going on. Something like maybe nVidia is replacing both 480 and 470 with these?

right, but launching a single and dual gpu card with barely any difference in the branding number makes sense?
so the dualgpu card will be only slightly faster compared to a single gpu card? and the dualgpu card will be slower than a 470? and what about the 211W tdp? that CANT be a dualgpu card... and if its a single gpu card that is slower than the dualgpu card, then how high will the dualgpu cards tdp be? 300W+ but itll be slower than a 470?

there isnt going to be 2 cards, im pretty sure about it...
some call it a 460 and some a 465, who knows what nvidia will actually call it when they launch it... either way, we are talking about ONE new card here... thats it...

Like in the case of 9600GT vs 8800GT? Theory is one thing, but it doesn't always work like that.

what do you mean?

note how a theoretical breakdown of the 470s and 480s performance matches 99%... at least in tpus benchmark row a 470 is exactly 75% of a 480 at 1920x1200... how relevant their choice of benchmarks is doesnt matter... in tpus review a 460 should perform about as fast as a 260... and thats ouch... big ouch... :S

GTX 470 3% faster on average? Isn't it more like 10-15%?

read my post and check the link...
if you dont trust tpu, fair enough... i do...
it probably has a lot to do with what settings and benchmarks you use in a review... some games favor ati, some favor nvidia... and some cards run certain aa levels better than others etc etc...

anyhow, even if you think the choice of benchmarks and settings on tpu is done poorly and doesnt reflect actual nvidia vs ati performance, that dosnt really impact the relative performance from one nvidia card to another by a lot. so a 460/465 still ends up as fast as a 260...

its been already more than half a year since the radeon 5xxx release,so it wont be a science fiction theory that ATI reduces prices across board to like :
5830 <= 150euro ;
5850 <= 200euro;
5870 <= 250euro;

i still dont understand why ATI is not doing this right now,it would basically kill nVidia just like Intel used to do to AMD whenever similiar situation arised.

why should they? nvidia cant fulfill demand right now, it doesnt matter how many cards they actually sell... nvidia cards are in low supply and its a textbook example of a market situation in which you keep your prices up and throw excessive parties with hot chics and lots of free booze

if those numbers from vrzone are true then OOOUUUUCHHHH
even less blocks and lower clocks... it might end up slower than a 260... it supports dx11, yay, but how useful is that when even a 480 is brought to its knees playing metro2033? even at this terrible performance, these cards might actually be fun to play with... but for 250$ i wont touch them... no way...
199$ or lower with those 352sp specs and we are talking... im pretty sure those cards will be good for 100% overclocks on ln2 with mods
its been a while that weve seen that from a card... and while it might suck perf wise... it should be fun to play with... kinda like those netburst 65nm chips or celerons