i think black editions will be money with these cpus because as long as turbo can stay on with changed multi, we should be able to get some nice x6 clocks and still use the 400mhz turbo. when the htt starts getting that high and turbo gets to 600+mhz i think it is easier for the system to become unstable. something like 4.0 with 4.4 turbo, around 1.5v like c3 denebs need