The fact that GoldenTiger tested with an OC GTX 470 vs a stock HD5870 with old driver isn't that fair IMO, yet some conclude "OMG, the GTX 470 even beats the HD5870" is even more absurd LOL. According to all the reviews, we all know that the GTX 470 manages to match or outperform the HD5870 in some games but it doesn't mean it totally beats the HD5870 like the GTX 480. I would rather wait for another review from other users with a deeper look at those 2 cards.