ABS/Tagan Black Pearl - evolution of a water-cooled rig

[woffen]

This is coming along very nicely! Looks like it will be quite a tight fit between the pumps and the midplate. Can't wait to see how it will look like when you have the midplate done. I'm in the works of designing my own case with a similar rad setup, so also very interested in how the warm air from the first rad will affect the second one. Always a pleasure to follow your builds shazza!

[voigts]

I would be so completely lost without Sketchup. I've got a lot of down time at work, and I can't even begin to tell you how much time between down time at work and at home I've spent working in Sketchup. There is no way I could build cases without it. I'm no expert, and I continually learn new things about it.

I even started playing in kerkythea and did some renders. Now I am finding myself trying to better learn photography so that I can take better pics. Does it ever end?

[woffen]

Simple answer: No

[Wezly]

Shazza, for the pumps, I suggest you refer to Kibbler's cooling unit.

There may be a bend or two more, but I think it's the perfect solution considering where your pumps are laying against the rads in the second-to-last picture.

That way you too can have a cooling unit

[shazza]

@ woffen

- thanks for stopping in - appreciate it. I should have just enough space between the midplate and pumps. Looking forward to seeing what you come up with for your case!

@voigts

Sketchup is fun, but I admit it is terribly difficult for me. Not the mechanics of the software - just getting my head around 3D space, but it's getting easier as I practice. You are already an expert! Agree with woffen - the answer is "NO" to the question, "does it ever stop?" I've only been playing with my DSLR for less than 2 years, and feel like it's going to take another 10 years to get consistent results - and doubt it will ever be mastered.

@Wezly

- Kibbler's unit works great in his case, and would work for me too. But, I have so much extra space in that bottom compartment, that I might as well use it all up. I also want to try it with nothing blocking air flow from rad 1 to rad 2. Later, I may experiment with more fans / thicker radiator, etc. Keep the ideas coming - even if I don't go with it, it makes me think.

[Wezly]

I wasn't sure if you would see it the same way I would. It wouldn't block the air-flow the way I'm thinking. If you take the bottom mount he has, the one with the cutting and bending, and put it on the fan mounting holes facing towards the pump where you currently have it floating. I know you saw that part of his log....

ugh I just don't feel like copying pictures. Gimme a few hours from this post so lazy...

[Kibbler]

I really like the setup you have there. It's unique and makes good logical use of space. If you decide to roll with this arrangement remember to have the fans blowing the right direction so that the hot coolant is returning to rad#2 (the one that's sucking warm air), then going to rad#1 (the one sucking in fresh air). There's more of a consistent temperature delta that way, I only thought of it because it's important for GTXs. What you have there is kinda like a mega 2-part GTX.

As for how to mount the pumps and stuff, I will shoot you a PM in a while for your consideration.

[kgtiger]

Thats an interesting ponit you make there Kibbler about the,
"fans blowing the right direction so that the hot coolant is returning to rad#2 (the one that's sucking warm air), then going to rad#1 (the one sucking in fresh air).

[shazza]

I wasn't sure if you would see it the same way I would. It wouldn't block the air-flow the way I'm thinking. If you take the bottom mount he has, the one with the cutting and bending, and put it on the fan mounting holes facing towards the pump where you currently have it floating. I know you saw that part of his log....

ugh I just don't feel like copying pictures. Gimme a few hours from this post so lazy...

hmmmnnn - I think I'm beginning to see what you mean. Will give it some more thought.

I really like the setup you have there. It's unique and makes good logical use of space. If you decide to roll with this arrangement remember to have the fans blowing the right direction so that the hot coolant is returning to rad#2 (the one that's sucking warm air), then going to rad#1 (the one sucking in fresh air). There's more of a consistent temperature delta that way, I only thought of it because it's important for GTXs. What you have there is kinda like a mega 2-part GTX.

As for how to mount the pumps and stuff, I will shoot you a PM in a while for your consideration.

Thanks much, Kibbler - will see if I can sort the rad flow out, as I have it the opposite now - but that's just temporary for testing. This also sounds like something that would be fun to test with some temp sensors and a few different configs (project extend mode on ).

Thats an interesting ponit you make there Kibbler about the,
"fans blowing the right direction so that the hot coolant is returning to rad#2 (the one that's sucking warm air), then going to rad#1 (the one sucking in fresh air).

Yes ... it is. I've no experience with the GTX rads, and no experience with this setup, so willing to take all incoming advice.

[Wezly]

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...ducts_id=27525

Take one of those, since you don't have to cut the bent part of the bracket, bend it out to a right angle, mount it on the other bent-over (backwards really) piece going from the rads, and then use the swively part as usual to attach the pump.

Or, hard mount it to the bottom of the case if you aren't doing paraflow. Steady beam of aluminum seems nice too haha. Just attach it to the inner pump mounts.


Actually, just found this

And this, but on a larger scale:
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...ducts_id=22699

[headala]

Wow, Shazza, still looking great. I'm enjoying watching you learn...since I'm learning quite a bit myself! Do you think a Dremel with a router bit would cut that thick alu side panel?

[CptDreadFlint]

Pooper scoopers.
Thought there may have been an update.

All good though, Sharon. I know you're busy - "vacationing".

[4GOTTEN]

i'm moving down to florida!!! which is awesome bc 90% of my family lives there...and now the reason i posted....that also means my computer temps just went from good to....molten. lol. btw sad fact...cost to rent a uhaul van for the move=more then to buy a truck to make the move...4500$ for a 2-3day drive is retarded -.-

right...rant over...not sure why i posted it...but i did...

btw those rads are making me jealous lol, this build is really starting to look sexy! can't wait to see the finished product!

and bc i'm hyper bc of the upcoming move....
EMOTICON ATTACK!!!


ok i stop there...bc there's way more emoticons on this forum then i thought...
almost forgot

[shazza]

Thanks for the idea, Wezly.

Nice to see you, headala

Aye, Cpt - I be vacationing in the land of the Saguaros ( you notice how it never comes off well when the rest of us try this Pirate Talk )

Whoa there, 4GOTTEN - a bit much coffee? lol - hope you enjoy Florida as much as I do.


OK - I've been avoiding posting, 'cause I didn't want to give a false sense that there was an actual update. We're visiting the dog in Arizona - won't be back in Florida for another week or so. Can't wait to get things moving again. Arggghh ... and then I only have a short window before we leave again - so the updates will be hot and heavy (or put on hold for several months).

[NaeKuh]

OK - I've been avoiding posting, 'cause I didn't want to give a false sense that there was an actual update.

Shazza admiting that u become a naekuh is the first sign of recovery.

[shazza]

Hey ... I haven't moved on the next project, just trying to fit my building time in with all this travel Starting next week, I'll have a month to get things done - if I don't at least get a working system setup in the Black Pearl - I will concede and seek counseling for NaeKuhitis. I'm just worried that I'll have to scale back some of my plans for the build.

[NaeKuh]

lolz..

well i think im gonna have a work log soon.

I need a complete tear down and rebuild of nadeshiko.

BTW i could never for the life of me get a cylindrical res ever to work sideways, so good luck with that.
The only way would be to put some kind of spounge type material, like this inside the res:


But when i did that, it looked very ugly. Maybe if u threw in a silver ingot it might add bling to the sponge?
a 1 troy ounce silver ingot will fit nicely inside a EK res.

Also, shazza to my understanding, the blades on the servo are weight balanced.
How did the painting effect the balance? Do you feel any vibration from the fan now that u painted it?
Does it still spin forever when you cut the power off?

[Caoder]

i was planning on doing the same thing with my rads but i was gunna use 2 of the un design brackets xD they should work great via discussion in this thread http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=235056

[whuzabi]

hey shazza is there a update in planing ?! want to see more pictures

[shazza]

lolz..

well i think im gonna have a work log soon.

I need a complete tear down and rebuild of nadeshiko.

BTW i could never for the life of me get a cylindrical res ever to work sideways, so good luck with that.

...

I'm gonna hold you to that work log As for the horizontal res, I don't have a lot of turbulence with both pumps running, as long as it's going through both radiators and the water blocks - we'll have to see.

Re the fans - didn't notice any difference in their spinnability or noise - tried to be very careful to apply the paint lightly and evenly.

i was planning on doing the same thing with my rads but i was gunna use 2 of the un design brackets xD they should work great via discussion in this thread http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=235056

I have some of the Un Design brackets, also a few other things to try. Thanks.

hey shazza is there a update in planing ?! want to see more pictures

Should be some more updates/photos starting next week - still away from home right now.

[voigts]

I want to see you try to explain to your doctor that you need medicine for a NaeKuhitis condition that you are experiencing.

[NaeKuh]

I want to see you try to explain to your doctor that you need medicine for a NaeKuhitis condition that you are experiencing.

the medication for that is only legal in california.

[4GOTTEN]

yes...yes i did have some coffee...after i posted it calmed me down greatly, thank you for that suggestion. but replies starting next week D: i'm moving monday i wont be able to see! lol. lesat not for a while... got quite the trip coming up...monday go to oklahoma stay till tuesday then go to texas stay till wednesday-thursday depending on the time we get there, friday-saturday drive to opposite end of flroida to say hi to cousin i haven't seen in about 10+/-3 years then go back to the bay/washington area in florida around sunday...then unpack and move in...to my friends house till i find a local job...should be....fun...except the driving part...and the telling gf's parents she's pregnant...at the rate my gf is moving as far as telling them...most likely in person...i'm so gonna be shot...should be fun :P

so in short update update update!!! *get's rest of forum chanting with me**or not*

gotta go buy a wireless adapter for my desktop...or find a way to string my ethernet cord (25') across 500sq ft of house....without letting it be noticed.

[shazza]

Finally ... a little update - one of those where the photos don't begin to show the time spent figuring things out.

This is a work in progress, but I needed a break from trying to put things together, and it was a nice day for photos.

The "Module" - still several things to do, but you get the idea. It's held together by a piece of Aluminum sitting on top of some corner brackets attached to the fan holes on the inside of the radiator. The Al piece was recycled from the waste from cutting out my window. Still have to drill holes for the pump wires, resleeve them, and finish sanding polishing the delrin on the side of the pump where I cut off the little feets. (The black "sheet" on the bottom is simply a piece of poster board for the photo session):

[melle.k]

very nice