you think that is the way for me to go to drop cpu multi to 8 and raise fsb.. then if i raise it to 500 that will give me 1600mhz on my ram and thats what i was hopeing for, Am i loseing any performance by dropping the multi to 8? so now i have my timmi9ngs at 7,8,7,24 and sec timmings i set to 5-6-10-88-6-1 like you suggested can I leave those alone and just change the multi to 8? or do i have to loosen the timmings up? , my ultimate o/c i want is 4.0 with 1600 mhz on ram, thats what iam shooting for, let me know what ya think thanx for your help. I realy love these boards I think the problem with the udl3r was it only had a 4 pin cpu power supply and these have the 8 pin wich i think is better than 4 pin ...any truth to that? here is a shot of my ram