The Fermi Thread - Part 3

[Marios]

Voltage tweak support from ASUS



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[eric66]

These are supposed to be new.

lol one bench of dirt 2 which is dx 11 game and hundred of far cry 2 which is pretty much nvidia biased game even gtx 275 reaches 5850

[Picao84]

lol one bench of dirt 2 which is dx 11 game and hundred of far cry 2 which is pretty much nvidia biased game even gtx 275 reaches 5850

Well, even on the the DX11 game GTX480 has a leading of close to 20%.

[eric66]

whats with the fermi and farcry2 love ?

thats why : http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-5830-review/15

unigine and far cry 2 its like they are trying to master in those games

[eric66]

Well, even on the the DX11 game GTX480 has a leading of close to 20%.

yep thats cool part nothing to say about it min are nearly same but average is better on 480 on unknown res thing that annoys me is that they don't change games while testing its always the same far cry 2 and unigine over and over

[-Sweeper_]

thats why : http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-5830-review/15

unigine and far cry 2 its like they are trying to master in those games

yeah, unigine is an awesome game...

[Dami3n]

Voltage tweak support from ASUS

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Asus fedding the hype? 50% faster with oc¿?

[eric66]

asus probably expects you to reach 900 mhz lol

[tajoh111]

thats why : http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-5830-review/15

unigine and far cry 2 its like they are trying to master in those games

Guru3d results are alot different than hwcanucks results.

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum...review-16.html

The gtx 295 is losing to the 5870 here and the gtx 285 loses quite handily.

I am a bit sceptical about those recent graph results. If the gtx 480 was that fast in the first place then we would seeing leaks long time ago. In addition, the gtx 470 should be as fast if not faster than the 5870 looking at those results. But the 349 price seems to indicate it is slower.

But then again results like that is still below the hype fermi initially promised.

[DosDuoNo]

I just wanted to reply to you guys, to explain

North Korea? Do they have freely available internet even? That country is more dictatorial than China regarding information and citizens overseeing.

I honestly doubt NK people could play on a game's server hosted in Europe or the US...
South Korea is another thing completely thought, so maybe you saw people from there instead.

In Crysis the US Team Plays against a North Korean team, this was the intended 'Pun'

sounds bull ... it might be Singaporeans chinese or Taiwanese?... how the hell you know their nationality from your screen?

and NK does not have that freedom of accessing internet, let alone playing online games. maybe you're mistaken them from S.Koreans? or maybe you've some grudge on asians?

wake up and face the fact, we're in a multicultural, multinational planet, you're bound to meet some ppl everywhere you go.

answer as above, and also i woke up years ago, to Bigotry and racism, i have also traveled the planet to many differant cultures and races. and loved them all.

so please dont tar me with the Racist brush

I'm half Korean. I'm a minor going to a high school. I live in the United States. It's so funny how the United States is so segregated about asians. Blacks and whites get along fine. Thats one race now. Asians...or "chinese" kids always get the **** now. I'm quite tired of it and if anyone needs to be be racist on a forum like that then fine. Dos has his wish. Some people humor me.

if i was truly racist, the wonderful mods would have locked me out for it, thankfully they have the wisdom to spot real trouble and racism.

i am of course neither

what happens in your country as regards to the segregation of asians, troubles me if true, but then again so do children starving in africa.

I don't think he was being racist by joking about cheating in an online game... it's a common thing just like joking about "chinese gold farmers" in MMO's . Don't take personal offense at it. As far as "blacks & whites being one race now" don't say that within earshot of Al Sharpton and co. ! Sadly a lot of animosity does exist due to perceptions of racism, even though I don't think many really are (which is of course, on that front, a good thing that it's dwindled down to near-nothing). The area I am from would easily be considered, stereotypically, a bad one for that, but in reality it is not.

thank you for your support Golden Tiger, you are correct in seeing i am not a racist and i have never been.

the problem lies herein (in bold) our perception of racism (but this is not the place to discuss it.)

so thank you i just thought i would explain a little

back on topic

now we have voltage tweak on a supposedly bad overclocking card that runs like a furnace? this should be fun for the air guys out there, i expect a few RMA's lol

lucky im on water

[GoldenTiger]

I just wanted to reply to you guys, to explain so thank you i just thought i would explain a little

back on topic

now we have voltage tweak on a supposedly bad overclocking card that runs like a furnace? this should be fun for the air guys out there, i expect a few RMA's lol

lucky im on water

Yeah, not the place but you clearly aren't trying to stir things up or anything.

I find it interesting too on the Asus voltagetweak thing slapped on the box... either they're going to have a LOT of RMA's from noobs, or the card isn't as hot a furnace and poorly overclockable + performing as we've been lead to believe...

[DosDuoNo]

thanks

just found this on my travels, i went to the nvidia site and it has been pulled, things to come?

[BieBiep]

Does this really mean i have to wait another 6months for the full 512SP GTX485? :/

(Data in table http://www.hardware-infos.com/news.php?news=3484)

[WRC]

Does this really mean i have to wait another 6months for the full 512SP GTX485? :/

(Data in table http://www.hardware-infos.com/news.php?news=3484)

unfortunately, fermi needs a die shrink to unleash all cores, and stay within normal tdp

[eric66]

Guru3d results are alot different than hwcanucks results.

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum...review-16.html

The gtx 295 is losing to the 5870 here and the gtx 285 loses quite handily.

I am a bit sceptical about those recent graph results. If the gtx 480 was that fast in the first place then we would seeing leaks long time ago. In addition, the gtx 470 should be as fast if not faster than the 5870 looking at those results. But the 349 price seems to indicate it is slower.

But then again results like that is still below the hype fermi initially promised.

well gurus are newer. i recall nvidia gaining 20 or 30 percent in far cry 2 with newer drivers correct me if i am wrong and to say the truth i expect gtx 480 be much faster than 5870 in nvidia favored games. weren't first fermi videos showing great performance in far cry 2 anyway ?

[SKYMTL]

Guru3d results are alot different than hwcanucks results.

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum...review-16.html

The gtx 295 is losing to the 5870 here and the gtx 285 loses quite handily.

I am a bit sceptical about those recent graph results. If the gtx 480 was that fast in the first place then we would seeing leaks long time ago. In addition, the gtx 470 should be as fast if not faster than the 5870 looking at those results. But the 349 price seems to indicate it is slower.

But then again results like that is still below the hype fermi initially promised.

I'll tell you something about Far Cry 2 benchmarking.

Both ATI and NVIDIA have built in FAR too many optimizations into their drivers for the standard "Ranch" benchmark runs. That's why we avoid it like the plague. Our results are based off of a 10 minute gameplay sequence. The "Ranch"-based benchmarks used to be quite accurate....not anymore.

The game itself is currently somewhat ATI-biased simply because their drivers have improved Dunia Engine performance drastically.

Since we don't know where those benchmarks are taken from within the game (Ranch sequence or in-game), it's best to take that with a grain of salt.

HOWEVER, for NVIDIA to be performing that well in DiRT 2 (a game developed with the close participation of AMD) is a huge step in the right direction.

[eric66]

well avgs are low so i bet they again picked 2560 res for bench which can explain 480s nice performance in dx11 and btw guru also benchs with gameplay sequences

[GoldenTiger]

I'll tell you something about Far Cry 2 benchmarking.

Both ATI and NVIDIA have built in FAR too many optimizations into their drivers for the standard "Ranch" benchmark runs. That's why we avoid it like the plague. Our results are based off of a 10 minute gameplay sequence. The "Ranch"-based benchmarks used to be quite accurate....not anymore.

The game itself is currently somewhat ATI-biased simply because their drivers have improved Dunia Engine performance drastically.

Since we don't know where those benchmarks are taken from within the game (Ranch sequence or in-game), it's best to take that with a grain of salt.

HOWEVER, for NVIDIA to be performing that well in DiRT 2 (a game developed with the close participation of AMD) is a huge step in the right direction.

Good points... I had the same thought on Dirt 2 myself.

well avgs are low so i bet they again picked 2560 res for bench which can explain 480s nice performance in dx11

I run 2560x1600, so to me it is extremely important that a high-end card can perform at high-res. As far as the avg's being "low", the minimums are important to me, in fact what drove me to buy a 5870 over my then-current GTX 280 even though the averages weren't as spectacularly high like the minimum gains were. As SKYMTL said of course, can't really judge a ton off of the FarCry 2 bench there without context, but if minimum gains like that turn out to be the norm in real benches across review sites, then it would be a smashing success of a card: I don't care if it can spike to 150fps while maintaining a 60 average... I care if it can stay above 45-50 while maintaining a 65-70 average, even if that means the max is only around 100 then . Max framerates and by extension averages can be easily skewed with that.

[SKYMTL]

well avgs are low so i bet they again picked 2560 res for bench which can explain 480s nice performance in dx11 and btw guru also benchs with gameplay sequences

They don't mention that. If you want, I'll upload our timedemo run so you can compare. Anyone that uses an actual gameplay sequence (timedemo or otherwise) will have ATI cards performing much better.

[tajoh111]

That makes sense. So skymtl, I am not asking you to break NDA, but assuming you got a GTX 480, are you disappointed with testing so far or impressed? Don't have to mention power or performance, just your thumps up or down.

[GoldenTiger]

That makes sense. So skymtl, I am not asking you to break NDA, but assuming you got a GTX 480, are you disappointed with testing so far or impressed? Don't have to mention power or performance, just your thumps up or down.

Not so sure he can really tell us that .

[ToxAvenger]

These are supposed to be new.

[IMG][Farcry - DiRT2 benches[/IMG]

Good showing in DiRT2, although not enough info on the settings, but 20% up on an ATI happy game is not bad for early drivers.

thanks

just found this on my travels, i went to the nvidia site and it has been pulled, things to come?

[Fermi Drivers]

Cool.

That makes sense. So skymtl, I am not asking you to break NDA, but assuming you got a GTX 480, are you disappointed with testing so far or impressed? Don't have to mention power or performance, just your thumps up or down.

I highly doubt he can say anything either way, but good try!

[SKYMTL]

That makes sense. So skymtl, I am not asking you to break NDA, but assuming you got a GTX 480, are you disappointed with testing so far or impressed? Don't have to mention power or performance, just your thumps up or down.

Honestly, it isn't even in my system yet. I am trying to re-benchmark as many cards as possible with the new 10.3a and 197-series drivers before popping the new stuff in.

[ToxAvenger]

Honestly, it isn't even in my system yet. I am trying to re-benchmark as many cards as possible with the new 10.3a and 197-series drivers before popping the new stuff in.

How can you resist? So the Fermi is just sitting in a box or on the bench? I would not be able to control myself. Nice to hear you're taking the time to bench with the newest drivers possible.

[~CS~]

Voltage tweak means nothing ,65nm gtx200 cards had it as well,improved overclocks about zero.


Olivon , xbit only measures wattage supplied by PSU vie PCI-e power cables , as far as i know they do not measure wattage supplied by PCI-express slot , which is up to 75 watts .So take those graphs with a grain of salt .