The Fermi Thread - Part 3

[annihilat0r]

gtx 480 being so cheap doesn't sound good for nvidia still waiting sooner or later they must come to light lol

lol what, so if it was expensive that would sound good for nvidia?

[eric66]

lol what, so if it was expensive that would sound good for nvidia?

well if you use your brain a little ......

[prava]

440 Euros = 598.48800 U.S. dollars

I'm afraid in hardware it doesn't work that way

Few comparisons:

5870 @ Newegg : $404

That would be around 300€, but you wont find 5870 for less than 340€


5970 @ Newegg : $700

That would be around 514€. You won't find them for less than 540€.

And so on.


Although there is something curious about that...spaniards had to import stuff a few years ago in order to get proper prices...now we could even export as our prices are probably within the best around the EU community. Heck, a few years ago I was buying in UK and now it has gotten soooo expensive that even if pounds = euros we would only be saving a little

[annihilat0r]

well if you use your brain a little ......

I understand. If GTX 480 was $600, you would say "wow this sounds good for Nvidia". I mean, YOU would say this?

[Pekalion]

Hm, is the mouse included in the bunddle or is a discount coupon? Anyway, Zotac FTW

[Farinorco]

So comparing it with current HD5000 prices (in the same shop), we have:

HD5850 => 253€
GTX470 => 330€
HD5870 => 355€
GTX480 => 440€
HD5970 => 560€

So we have the GTX470 priced a little lower than HD5870, and GTX480 between HD5870 and HD5970. Of course, it remains to be seen how will the prices of Radeon cards be affected by this launch, given that their prices are pretty high taking into acount they are 6 months old now. I suppose it will depend mostly on performance of the new GeForce cards.

I don't find those prices unexpected at all. Now we only need to know how those new cards perform (and some other info like power consumption and so). Things are beginning to take shape...

[prava]

We can expect ATI to drop their prices as GTX470 being even cheaper than a 5870 is a rather impressive thing. Unexpected, totally unexpected.

[eric66]

enough with this fermi thing ...

[XS2K]

I dunno,if it's a discount then it's too low,599 yen = ~6.6$ so not worthy...
It would be a pretty sweet deal if it would come boundled with a mouse especially a deathadder though I am kinda reserved..

[zalbard]

Why the hell do we have another thread about Fermi?

[Olivon]

So comparing it with current HD5000 prices (in the same shop), we have:

HD5850 => 253€
GTX470 => 330€
HD5870 => 355€
GTX480 => 440€
HD5970 => 560€

So we have the GTX470 priced a little lower than HD5870, and GTX480 between HD5870 and HD5970. Of course, it remains to be seen how will the prices of Radeon cards be affected by this launch, given that their prices are pretty high taking into acount they are 6 months old now. I suppose it will depend mostly on performance of the new GeForce cards.

I don't find those prices unexpected at all. Now we only need to know how those new cards perform (and some other info like power consumption and so). Things are beginning to take shape...

Thanks Farinorco. Good info

[bill_d]

GeForce GTX 480 3 billion ~5100 SEK - $510

GeForce GTX 470 3 billion ~3550 SEK - $360

Radeon HD 5970 2 x 2,15 billion ~5600 SEK - $560

Radeon HD 5870 2.15 billion ~3700 SEK - $370

Radeon HD 5850 2.15 billion ~2600 SEK - $260

http://www.nordichardware.com/en/com...00-prices.html

[Chumbucket843]

enough with this fermi thing ...

then dont bother to open fermi related threads.

[eric66]

then dont bother to open fermi related threads.

well i won't you can bet on that we already have trilogy going on

[Farinorco]

We can expect ATI to drop their prices as GTX470 being even cheaper than a 5870 is a rather impressive thing. Unexpected, totally unexpected.

Well, of course we should expect a drop in HD5800 prices by now. Those prices are higher than at launch, and it's 6 months later than that now (half its life cycle in average for a videocard)... given the usually decreasing curve of the prices along the life of a hw product, specially a videocard, AMD should have a huge margin to lower the prices down to a more natural number at this point.

Of course NVIDIA knows that, and they can't launch the product at a given price and start dropping it in a few weeks, consumers would feel pissed off (like it happened the previous generation because of the surprise of HD4800 performance and price). So they have to estimate how much AMD can (and will) lower the prices and play with that to price their own products.

Do you really think that those prices are unexpected?

Thanks Farinorco. Good info

I only did a quick and dirty search on the 4frags web, all the merit here is prava, he was the one who actually found and brought the really interesting info...

[RPGWiZaRD]

If anything the prices are hinting the relatively poor performance advantage (5850 and 5870, not 5970 ofc). You can already now before launch quite safely say this will turn out like last gen, altho AMD looks to be in a slightly better position this time. Still I see the GTX 470 as a good buy if you're looking into upgrading, GTX 480 doesn't look very price/performance efficient at all tho, both HD5870 and HD5970 seems to make more sense from this point of view.

[Caparroz]

If anything the prices are hinting the relatively poor performance advantage (5850 and 5870, not 5970 ofc) (...)

What?

Have you seen this? :
HD5850 => 253€
GTX470 => 330€
HD5870 => 355€
GTX480 => 440€
HD5970 => 560€

Considering that it's almost certain that AMD will cut 58xx prices, both 470 and 480 better be pretty damn fast cards. If the numbers posted on the Official Fermi thread are true, AMD will rape Nvidia considering price/performance.

[Iconyu]

Enrico Fermi was a physicist like Tesla, he once offered to take bets during the manhatten project on wether or not their first nuclear test would ignite the atmosphere and just destroy new mexico or the whole world. Ah such a funny guy.

[MsB]

Great this means buy the end of summer I will be able to purchase a nice dx11 card.

[Pekalion]

I dunno,if it's a discount then it's too low,599 yen = ~6.6$ so not worthy...
It would be a pretty sweet deal if it would come boundled with a mouse especially a deathadder though I am kinda reserved..

Hm... It seems like a discount, if they want to give the mouse they will post something like: "Here you :banana::banana::banana:! Have this mouse that cost more than 50 bucks... FOR FREE!" Or just the real price of the mouse...

+1 for the discount, who else?

Besides, nice avatar

[prava]

Do you really think that those prices are unexpected?

Yup, as I was optimistic. 330€ for a GTX470 when 5870 will be for around 300€ or maybe even less means that there won't differ much in performance, if they do at all. We all know that at the same performance, NVIDIA cards cost more money. That said, GTX480 will be...what? 30% ahead? Even that is still in the range of an OCed GTX295, which IMO is a shame considering that ATI has put more or less the same power a 4870X2 had at 60% of its power consumption plus an awesome overclocking room, with a quite small chip considering NVIDIAs option...

I was expecting a 380€ GTX470 (5-10% ahead of GTX295) and GTX480 in the middle of 5870 and 5970, this way 5970 still stays where it is...and will be there for a looong time.

I only did a quick and dirty search on the 4frags web, all the merit here is prava, he was the one who actually found and brought the really interesting info...

Actually, somebody posted those prices on the spanish forum I am part of so I put them here because I thought they were interesting

[onethreehill]

Update: VR-ZONE

Sorry, it should be 480 SP. My source got a little mixed up. They are too busy making the cards right now I heard the retail availability got delayed but the launch still stands on March 26th for now. NV will decide tonight whether to push back the launch date. There will be enough cards to go around i heard.

Updated with final clocks too :

GeForce GTX 480 : 480 SP, 700/1401/1848MHz core/shader/mem, 384-bit, 1536MB, 295W TDP, US$499

GeForce GTX 470 : 448 SP, 607/1215/1674MHz core/shader/mem, 320-bit, 1280MB, 225W TDP, US$349

http://forums.vr-zone.com/7790889-post30.html

[Serpentarius]

Update: VR-ZONE


http://forums.vr-zone.com/7790889-post30.html

that's good news ...

waiting a few more days is a real drag

[Carfax]

Seems like we're getting conflicting reports.......again.

Looking at the Galaxy website, the GTX 480 has 512sp, and not 480.

Maybe there's an "Ultra" version with the full SP range?

[GoldenTiger]

Seems like we're getting conflicting reports.......again.

Looking at the Galaxy website, the GTX 480 has 512sp, and not 480.

Maybe there's an "Ultra" version with the full SP range?

Yeah, I frankly don't care at this point, it'll be what it'll be in about a week anyway . A 512 version would rock though!