well you can judge yourself by looking at there benchs don't you ? btw 5830 doesn't have any non EOLed oponent so why not give it gold award ? performance is between 5850 and 5770 which it was supposed to be only bad thign is that amd priced it higher cause of 5870 pcbs soon custom pcbs will roll out and you gonna see much cheaper versions and believe me that card will be only one in 200 dolar price range as dx 11 card after few weeks lol and for a looong time