The GT300/Fermi Thread - Part 2!

[Sam_oslo]

GTX 470 20-25% faster than GTX 285, GTX 480 equal to HD 5970?

http://www.donanimhaber.com/GeForce_...ilir-18363.htm
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This looks really good, and several sources are indicating the same in past days. Lets hope it holds true, and the possibilities is raising

I can almost hear all those non-scene denials that would rather to deny this by some wild insider-info claims, again.

[trinibwoy]

I think it's better if you don't post at all.

It's not his fault. He just has multiple 100% accurate sources that are saying completely different things. It seems to be affecting a lot of people these days

[mindfury]

Lets hope it holds true, and the possibilities is raising

If NV can make GTX480 equal to HD5970,why they make GTX470 slower than 5870?

Last time GTX280 is 15%-20% faster than GTX260.

[annihilat0r]

I think it's better if you don't post at all.
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What can I do, Nvidia is so indecisive. Looks like the final decision of cutting the card to 480SP was made within the last couple of days.

[Sam_oslo]

If NV can make GTX480 equal to HD5970,why they make GTX470 slower than 5870?

Last time GTX280 is 15%-20% faster than GTX260.

I think it is fare to say 480 will be about ~20% better than 470. Then if 480 GTX matches/beats HD5970, we can expect 470 to beat the 5870 by ~20%.

[mindfury]

I think it is fare to say 480 will be about ~20% better than 470. Then if 480 GTX matches/beats HD5970, we can expect 470 to beat the 5870 by ~20%.

But donanimhaber said GTX470 only 20-25% faster than GTX285.

[takamishanoku]

edit: I have some very reliable source, saying that GTX 480 will be 480 sp's and above 700MHz in clockspeed

Above 700 is a lot higher than what most rumours have been hinting at. I really hope there is a 512 part tho.

[Sam_oslo]

But donanimhaber said GTX470 only 20-25% faster than GTX285.

Nothing is for sure yet, but several other sources are indicating that 480 GTX will be at least as good as HD5970 (if not not better).

[Teemax]

Nothing is for sure yet, but I'll take any conflicting "sources" that make me feel good about Fermi.

Fixed

[Sam_oslo]

These conflicting sources is all we have for now.
We must try to deal with it until we get some more reliable sources and benchmarks. But until then, I personally would rather investigate them with an open mind.

That's all we have, and we should deal with it in respectful manner. I would also suggest that we all show respect for others meaning and idea without fixing their Quote.

[annihilat0r]

Above 700 is a lot higher than what most rumours have been hinting at. I really hope there is a 512 part tho.

As far as I could gather from what some people (who gave reliable info in the past, not sure of the present ) have been saying, the decision was 512SP with 650Mhz clockspeed but then it was ditched just within the last couple of days in favor of 480SP, 700+ clockspeed and higher availability of the cards.

Obviously every such info could be wrong but I don't think they could be far off.

In terms of computing power, 512 x 650 is as much as 480 x 700 but we'll see..

[Teemax]

These conflicting sources is all we have for now.
We must try to deal with it until we get some more reliable sources and benchmarks. But until then, I personally would rather investigate them with an open mind.

That's all we have, and we should deal with it in respectful manner. I would also suggest that we all show respect for others meaning and idea without fixing their Quote.

Thanks man The "open mind" part had me gigling

An "open mind" doesn't jump on anything that makes Fermi look good and screaming "LOOK AT THIS!", even though the underlying numbers or arguments are completely false.

May I suggest that you use a better choice of words next time?

[Sam_oslo]

Thanks man The "open mind" part had me gigling

An "open mind" doesn't jump on anything that makes Fermi look good and screaming "LOOK AT THIS!", even though the underlying numbers or arguments are completely false.

May I suggest that you use a better choice of words next time?

You may not suggest what i write. I chose my own words based on my ideas.

The whole thread is full av denials about a good Fermi. Too much Fermi-bashing and denial of anything that can cast a better light on Fermi. I'm trying to bring balance to this non-sense. Not because I'm sure Fermi is good, but because I'm sure many of these Fermi-bashing is as unsure, too.

As I have repeated several times before, "nothing is for sure yet" and those of us interested in high-end GPU and Fermi should keep an open mind, both for Fermi and for others ideas and meanings.

[eric66]

What can I do, Nvidia is so indecisive. Looks like the final decision of cutting the card to 480SP was made within the last couple of days.

oh my god are you serious so according to these 100 percent accurate sources nvidia changes specs every day

[SimBy]

So let's see, nV figures out 512 SP is no go so they say fsckit lets cut it down to 480 something and raise clock from 600 to 750! They all start cheering, hugging and taping themselves on the back 'How the fsck didn't we thought of this sooner!!! It's even faster now!

Heck why not cut it down to 300 SP and raise clock to 2Ghz!!!! That would WTFBBQPWN!!!!

Get real guys.

[Nedjo]

What can I do, Nvidia is so indecisive. Looks like the final decision of cutting the card to 480SP was made within the last couple of days.

what a mess!!

They can do one of the two things:

a) turn off cores via BIOS (leaving possibility to unlock them)
b) fuse them off in testing facility!

If the option is b) that would mean that chips are still in factory, not in assembly line, and far, far away from AIB partners and journalists (not to mention customers).

Also if NV is chasing quantities, they would fuse of cores, so that they don't drain power (BIOS disablement can't cut of power to the disabled units). And that also means that they're upping voltage to make as much as possible chips come alive with as much as possible working cores. Upping the frequency would not be in line with the goal of making as much as possible usable chips, and NV DOESN'T have time for precise binning!

So, point is:
a) decision of the core numbers were put in place a month or two months ago, not yesterday
b) decision was made yesterday, and that pushed launch from planned CeBIT time-frame to PAX, and availability in April - May

Anyhow this is sign of total lack of any planned execution...

[Teemax]

The whole thread is full av denials about a good Fermi. Too much Fermi-bashing and denial of anything that can cast a better light on Fermi. I'm trying to bring balance to this non-sense. Not because I'm sure Fermi is good, but because I'm sure many of these Fermi-bashing is as unsure, too.

Of course it's full of Fermi bashing. NVIDIA is having real problem delivering the cards, and most of the things we hear are bad news, except for a few random (and baseless) "claims" of a miraculous Fermi's performance, which you ask people to accept as gospels "with an open mind"...

If there are real, substantial good news, bring them out for us to rejoice! Do NOT ask people to accept obvious fakes "with an open mind" just like that. It doesn't work, and it's pathetic.

[Andrea deluxe]

OT ON

http://www.techpowerup.com/116084/AS...s_Surface.html

OT OFF

[annihilat0r]

oh my god are you serious so according to these 100 percent accurate sources nvidia changes specs every day

1- Who said it was 100 percent accurate. You're making fun of words you yourself are putting in my mouth.
2- Who said Nvidia changed specs every day, I told of only 1 (reads "one") change of spec. Don't forget that the specs from long ago (750mhz and such) were only targets which were missed, and clock speed testing of the last revision (A3) was completed only recently. So anything you have heard before were only rumors / lies / targets.

As far as I know, Nvidia had completed testing the latest revision only a little time ago and decided upon 512SP / 650MHz. Before that there weren't any specs only targets and rumors. They have changed the spec ONCE and that is to 480SP / 700+MHz.

Surely those could be all wrong. But one change of spec isn't really an impossible thing to happen. Especially if you have missed your targets horribly and are trying to figure out what to do best with the parts you ended up with; and with the ultra high TDP and thermal death problems they have now.

[onethreehill]

Second-tier makers unlikely to start mass shipping Nvidia Fermi cards until April

Second-tier graphics card makers are unlikely to start mass shipments of their Nvidia GeForce GTX 480/470-based (Fermi) graphics cards until April despite that Nvidia plans to announce the GPU on March 26 since most of the them have not yet received complete reference board designs, according to sources from graphics card makers.

The sources expect Nvidia will give supply priority to first-tier makers or makers that only produce Nvidia cards. Makers including XFX and PNY are already offering pre-orders for these upcoming cards with GTX 480 priced at around US$679.99 and GTX 470 at about US$499.99.

Some market watchers originally expected AMD to drop its graphics card price to counter the launch of Nvidia's new cards, but since the prices of Nvidia cards are higher than AMD's existing cards, watchers now believe any price war between the two chip makers is unlikely to start until after May.......

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20100225PD202.html

[annihilat0r]

So the SabrePC "prices" indeed fooled everybody? Or were there other places which sold XFX and PNY 480's?

Cos you know, it looks kinda interesting to me that XFX and PNY are offering those cards only on a site that is ranked 6 million in Alexa.

[Your_Boss]

If NV can make GTX480 equal to HD5970,why they make GTX470 slower than 5870?

Last time GTX280 is 15%-20% faster than GTX260.

I got from that..that the 5970 was going to be the faster card. Meaning the GTX480 could not beat the 5970. And yeah, the 470 would beat the 285 by about 20%~25%. That's really about 5870 levels. Depends on which game you're looking at.

[purecain]

you could be forgiven for thinking ati had been tipped off, that fermi was close to the 5970's performance.(unlikely at this point)

so ati have released an enhanced spec for its partners to produce a card 20% faster with 4gb gddr5...

or they might just be playing it safe and have decided they are going to keep the performance crown no matter what.

cant wait for the real bench's because we have so much misdirection...

what we know for sure is nvidia is really sucking ati's balls really hard at this point...

[Your_Boss]

As far as I could gather from what some people (who gave reliable info in the past, not sure of the present ) have been saying, the decision was 512SP with 650Mhz clockspeed but then it was ditched just within the last couple of days in favor of 480SP, 700+ clockspeed and higher availability of the cards.

Obviously every such info could be wrong but I don't think they could be far off.

In terms of computing power, 512 x 650 is as much as 480 x 700 but we'll see..

Yeah, they were going to with a 650MHz, 512SP ..then at the last minute they decided to change it to a 950MHz, 1024SP.

[ajaidev]

The GTX 4xx has allready started effecting 5870's price nice i love it...

HIS 5870 FOR $380.....