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    Quote Originally Posted by greg.m View Post
    As long as we have a board we have the obligation to try to achieve the best, by any mean. You, Fritz, have not this board anymore so you dont care and you just saying what you think without any inhibitions, BUT if you still had this board you might had another opinion...
    Am i right?
    We are desperate, we need one last new bios
    It isn´t my intension to hurt anyones feelings.
    I realy understand what you mean, greg. You guys definetly need a better BIOS. The ones you have got are not made for a FSB greater than 450 MHz plus a high memory speed.
    I myself blamed it -togehter with Alien Grey- many times to the ASUS-Support. The answeres were nothing but a sweet talking bull That was about eight months ago. But still up today ASUS won´t do anything to help their costumers as far as I see.
    I realy hope for you guys that Alien Grey is right and ASUS is getting out the corner.
    Don´t be mad at me when I tell you how much I am disapointed - it is directed to ASUS not to you my friends.
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    Here's some good new and some bad news.


    The bad news is that the new BIOS isn't ready. The good news is that ASUS didn't say that they couldn't fix what should be fixed in the BIOS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fritz_the_germ View Post
    It isn´t my intension to hurt anyones feelings.
    I realy understand what you mean, greg. You guys definetly need a better BIOS. The ones you have got are not made for a FSB greater than 450 MHz plus a high memory speed.
    I myself blamed it -togehter with Alien Grey- many times to the ASUS-Support. The answeres were nothing but a sweet talking bull That was about eight months ago. But still up today ASUS won´t do anything to help their costumers as far as I see.
    I realy hope for you guys that Alien Grey is right and ASUS is getting out the corner.
    Don´t be mad at me when I tell you how much I am disapointed - it is directed to ASUS not to you my friends.
    No hurt feelings my friend, just wanted to be sure that IF someone watches us would see that there still are some poor guys who wait and wait and wait....
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    This is why we need a BIOS that can do 500FSB stable with a Quad.





    It would be a waste if I couldn't get that stable running on my board don't you think.

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    I thought that I've seen it all with BIOS 0902 but I missed the best part. If you 're using the 3/4 divider it doesn't matter what Ai Clock Twister setting that you use in the BIOS because it's always the same bandwidth so I thought why not try Ai Clock Twister Lighter.

    Did you ever see a Q9650 running Prime95 Blend stable at 4.05GHz and DDR 1199MHz with tRD 6 and tREF at 16383 with these voltages.





    Code:
    Ai Overclock Tuner [Manual]
    CPU Ratio Setting [9.0]
    FSB Strap to North Bridge [400MHz]
    FSB Frequency [450MHz]
    PCIE Frequency [100MHz]
    DRAM Frequency [1199MHz]
    DRAM Command Rate [2N]
    DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A/B [Auto]
    DRAM TimingControl [Auto]
    DRAM Static Read Control [Disabled]
    Ai Clock Twister [Lighter]
    Ai Transaction Booster [Manual]
    Common Performance Level [06]
    Pull-In of CH A/B all disabled
    CPU Voltage [1.30000V]
    CPU PLL Voltage [1.50V]
    North Bridge Voltage [1.27V]
    DRAM Voltage [1.80V]
    FSB Termination Voltage [1.20V]
    South Bridge Voltage [1.05V]
    SB 1.5V Voltage [1.50V]
    Loadline Calibration [Disabled]
    CPU GTL Voltage Reference [0.63X]
    NB GTL Voltage Reference [0.67X]
    DRAM Controller Voltage REF [Auto]
    DRAM Channel A/B Voltage REF [Auto]
    CPU Spread Spectrum [Disabled]
    PCIE Spread Spectrum [Disabled]
    CPU Clock Skew [Delay 300ps]
    NB Clock Skew [Delay 200ps]

    Don't be afraid to use more CPU and NB Clock Skew Delay because these are the most important settings in the BIOS to obtain stability with low voltage. A delay difference of 100ps between the CPU and the NB is necessary. Without the delay difference it's impossible to keep it stable with low voltage.

    Disabling DRAM Static Read also gave me a small bandwidth increase so I've got better performance and lower voltage than with my old settings. Using Ai Clock Twister Lighter didn't only make it possible to use lower NB Voltage, it also makes it possible to use lower FSB termination Voltage.
    Last edited by Alien Grey; 03-01-2010 at 02:53 PM. Reason: Wrong FSB Termination Voltage in the template. It should be 1.20V or 1.10V real.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A-Grey View Post
    I thought that I've seen it all with BIOS 0902 but I missed the best part. If you 're using the 3/4 divider it doesn't matter what Ai Clock Twister setting that you use in the BIOS because it's always the same bandwidth so I thought why not try Ai Clock Twister Lighter.

    Did you ever see a Q9650 running Prime95 Blend stable at 4.05GHz and DDR 1199MHz with tRD 6 and tREF at 16383 with these voltages.





    Code:
    Ai Overclock Tuner [Manual]
    CPU Ratio Setting [9.0]
    FSB Strap to North Bridge [400MHz]
    FSB Frequency [450MHz]
    PCIE Frequency [100MHz]
    DRAM Frequency [1199MHz]
    DRAM Command Rate [2N]
    DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A/B [Auto]
    DRAM TimingControl [Auto]
    DRAM Static Read Control [Disabled]
    Ai Clock Twister [Lighter]
    Ai Transaction Booster [Manual]
    Common Performance Level [06]
    Pull-In of CH A/B all disabled
    CPU Voltage [1.30000V]
    CPU PLL Voltage [1.50V]
    North Bridge Voltage [1.27V]
    DRAM Voltage [1.80V]
    FSB Termination Voltage [1.20V]
    South Bridge Voltage [1.05V]
    SB 1.5V Voltage [1.50V]
    Loadline Calibration [Disabled]
    CPU GTL Voltage Reference [0.63X]
    NB GTL Voltage Reference [0.67X]
    DRAM Controller Voltage REF [Auto]
    DRAM Channel A/B Voltage REF [Auto]
    CPU Spread Spectrum [Disabled]
    PCIE Spread Spectrum [Disabled]
    CPU Clock Skew [Delay 300ps]
    NB Clock Skew [Delay 200ps]

    Don't be afraid to use more CPU and NB Clock Skew Delay because these are the most important settings in the BIOS to obtain stability with low voltage. A delay difference of 100ps between the CPU and the NB is necessary. Without the delay difference it's impossible to keep it stable with low voltage.

    Disabling DRAM Static Read also gave me a small bandwidth increase so I've got better performance and lower voltage than with my old settings. Using Ai Clock Twister Lighter didn't only make it possible to use lower NB Voltage, it also makes it possible to use lower FSB termination Voltage.
    I have a previous post where i wrote to use FSB Voltage and PLL to minimum values.
    Dram Static Enabled + Moderate are my settings, so i guess there are
    2 ways to minimize the voltages.

    If i remember correctly setting Twister from Strong to Moderate to Light needs lower nb voltage but decreases bandwidth.
    Not sure with Dram static Enabled / Disabled, i remember not seeing any difference in both voltages and bandwidth
    Last edited by Spyrus; 03-05-2010 at 02:25 AM.
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    Yoh guys,
    I got myself a new system. Here is another screen:



    If anyone wants to buy my G.Skills PC-9600 just send me a pn.
    Last edited by Fritz_the_germ; 03-21-2010 at 09:34 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fritz_the_germ View Post
    Yoh guys,
    I got myself a new system. Here is another screen:



    If anyone wants to buy my G.Skills PC-9600 just send me a pn.
    Hey Fritz that looks really good.

    But why didn't you wait for the ASUS Rampage Extreme III?

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