cheapest GTX 285 = $379
Cheapest 5850 = $289
Not sure why anyone would buy a GTX 285 at this point, the 5850 is $90 cheaper, has more features, and is faster in games. no GTX 295 for sale anymore, so anyone looking for a high end video card has only ATI. GTX 260 is still $200+ when the 5770 is the same speed and $160. There's really no price point where nVidia has an advantage in speed.
Charlie is exaggerating about the yields and about it being unfixable, but core clock of 600-625 is what his sources were disagreeing on, nothing major. The idle temps will probably be fine with drivers that lower power in 2D. Let's face it, fermi would be out by now if there weren't problems. Are they major problems? Yes. Are they fixable? yes.
Man, I'm 80% sure that fermi will be 15% faster than 5870, so where does that leave us? That's not even one of the options in your certainty! You must be at least 80% wrong.
no more a phantom card than the GTX480.





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