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Thread: The GT300/Fermi Thread - Part 2!

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    Quote Originally Posted by xVeinx View Post
    Ummm, you've just described what the PC industry has been since it's inception....
    I did Which part? Are you refering to intel's monopoly abuse(if you are I %110 agree) or something else? I'm not sure if i'm not following what you are saying correctly, or if you aren't following what i'm saying correctly!

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    aint we there yet :/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sn0wm@n View Post
    lol still no official news... we might see an apri's fool joke about fermi this year LOL maybe a fake launch ??? still 1 1/2 month to go
    i'm hoping they've been taking lessons from ATI on how to keep a secret, recently ATI has been supprising everyone at it's product launches with features and performance. anandtech's recent article on the birth of cypress gives good insight as to how they compartmentalize certian aspects of design to controll the number of people who know what's going on. also, they apprear to be using different code names for the same feature across departments to confuse anyone on the outside looking in... if nvidia has begun doing similar things, that would explain the silence... i hope.
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    Big LOL to the Nvidia marketing director for doing this:

    A marketing director for Santa Clara-based Nvidia is facing a misdemeanor charge after he allegedly told a flight attendant at San Francisco International Airport that he had a bomb in his jacket, prosecutors said Monday...

    Full Story and Source - http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-...nclick_check=1

    EPIC FAIL for Yushing Lui

    no wonder things in nvidia are not shaping up with employees like this , and no sign of Furbi yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim View Post
    My goodness, that is actually way worse then I imagined it would be. I hope nVidia has got some serious reserves, because they are going to need it if this article is anywhere near true.


    $500 per chip?
    Since Charlie still thinks the yield was 2% with A1, I'm assuming his yield numbers are still a bit off so his cost per GPU is also off.
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    Once the government outlaws your guns your life is forfeit. You're already dead, it's just a question of when they are going to get around to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mapel110 View Post
    http://www.marketwire.com/press-rele...DA-1118552.htm
    They have an answer.
    One of the best quarters ever.

    But nvidia is so screwed. Right, Charlie...
    those results are tmscs favor for nvidia

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    Wasn't the 2% yield myth debunked a couple of months ago? It was something lost in translation or something like that...
    Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
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    Quote Originally Posted by annihilat0r View Post
    Wasn't the 2% yield myth debunked a couple of months ago? It was something lost in translation or something like that...
    Correct, supposedly was ~10% but higher than 2%.
    It was neliz who posted the info before Charlie posted his 2% article, neliz also somehow knew that Charlie would get bad info.
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    Originally Posted by motown_steve
    Every genocide that was committed during the 20th century has been preceded by the disarmament of the target population. Once the government outlaws your guns your life becomes a luxury afforded to you by the state. You become a tool to benefit the state. Should you cease to benefit the state or even worse become an annoyance or even a hindrance to the state then your life becomes more trouble than it is worth.

    Once the government outlaws your guns your life is forfeit. You're already dead, it's just a question of when they are going to get around to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 570091D View Post
    i'm hoping they've been taking lessons from ATI on how to keep a secret, recently ATI has been supprising everyone at it's product launches with features and performance. anandtech's recent article on the birth of cypress gives good insight as to how they compartmentalize certian aspects of design to controll the number of people who know what's going on. also, they apprear to be using different code names for the same feature across departments to confuse anyone on the outside looking in... if nvidia has begun doing similar things, that would explain the silence... i hope.
    too much silence is indicative of fail... even when g80 was near launch nvidia did have more info then today with fermi...


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    AMD's biggest surprise was the 4800's (and mayyyyybe 3800's somewhat) but definitely not 5800's and not at all 5700's. The performance of 5800 was expected and it was even disappointing that AMD didn't take any risks. Juniper performance was flat out disappointing.
    Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mapel110 View Post
    http://twitter.com/Igor_Stanek
    Oh Charlie... that just another hilarious post me: I think with this post Charlie totally destroyed his credibility
    well he might be right... after all igor is the king of destroying credibility... his own that is...

    Quote Originally Posted by trinibwoy View Post
    With Compute Shader in DX11 most of the changes done for CUDA apply to games as well. What exactly is this stuff not needed for the gaming market that you're referring to? The biggest expense in Fermi is definitely the geometry engine and that's completely gaming related.
    compute shader for games? idk... except for ai and physics, what could you use it for? and nvidia will push devs to use physix instead of compute shader, so all thats left is ai... and that works very well on the cpu and nobody likes to touch ai programing cause its so damn complex...

    Quote Originally Posted by trinibwoy View Post
    Showed where? Their financial statements say otherwise.
    damn... i cant find it... it was an nvidia press event... very recently... like a month or two ago... and they showed that they spend a lot on rnd and that it steadily increases year over year... they had a linear graph showing rnd spending...
    i dont remember where i saw it... it was a site i never visited before... i think i got linked there from the news section here... hmmm

    Quote Originally Posted by zalbard View Post
    As usually.
    Some people are saying there will be no Fermi @ CEBIT to look at for everyone (just closed demos). Means that the launch in March is likely to be a paper launch, ouch... Not surprising we don't get much info about Fermi.
    Hope CEBIT will shed some light at Fermi an its price and performance, I am really curious if all these delays are actually worth it.
    well nvidia DOES have a booth at cebit this year... they didnt in the previous years iirc... so i think they will "launch" it but whether it will actually be for sale after cebit... who knows...

    Quote Originally Posted by HelixPC View Post
    The new rocket demo from nvidia looks great, cant wait to grab one, or two of these cards.
    new one? link?

    Quote Originally Posted by mapel110 View Post
    http://www.marketwire.com/press-rele...DA-1118552.htm
    They have an answer.
    One of the best quarters ever.

    But nvidia is so screwed. Right, Charlie...
    hmmmm competition caught up and at the same time their new architecture is delayed by at least 2 quarters if not 3 (it was supposed to come out before nov originally), their gpgpu segment fails to kick off, their tegra segment fails to kick off, they lost their chipset business almost entirely thanks to intel locking them out and amd not extending their license either, the gaming industry moves more and more away from the pc as a gaming platform and to consoles and mobile devices instead... yeah... this is one of nvidias best quarters ever... 0_o


    Quote Originally Posted by chispy View Post
    Big LOL to the Nvidia marketing director for doing this:

    A marketing director for Santa Clara-based Nvidia is facing a misdemeanor charge after he allegedly told a flight attendant at San Francisco International Airport that he had a bomb in his jacket, prosecutors said Monday...

    Full Story and Source - http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-...nclick_check=1

    EPIC FAIL for Yushing Lui

    no wonder things in nvidia are not shaping up with employees like this , and no sign of Furbi yet.
    hah, thats hilarious

    in germany there was a similar case a few months ago, where a man claimed he had a bomb in his pants... referring to his schlong... unfortunately mr testosterone insisted on this joke when asked repeatedly by security personnel, so they took him into custody, he and his family missed their flight and the airline refused to give them new tickets since it was his fault they missed the flight. he ended up losing around 4kE in ticket costs, had to pay for his own interrogation which was another few kE, plus a fine for obstructing traffic and operations of the airport of a few kE, PLUS his wife/gf supposedly left him with the kids after this little joke...

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    Quote Originally Posted by annihilat0r View Post
    AMD's biggest surprise was the 4800's (and mayyyyybe 3800's somewhat) but definitely not 5800's and not at all 5700's. The performance of 5800 was expected and it was even disappointing that AMD didn't take any risks. Juniper performance was flat out disappointing.
    they should have kept it at 256bit
    would have been such a sweet card...

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    Yeah, ati's biggest hit lately has been the 4800's. Nvidias has been g80/g92. I still think the GF100 will be powerful, they just don't have enough full parts at the highest speed bins to start braggin and throwin around benchmarks. GF100 is quality performance IMO. (just can't deliver them in large quantities - hehe) Conversely, the chip's design is more "quantity" for it's time. I think the "Fermi2" refresh will be a hit. This first 512 shader GF100 part should be amazing, yet hard to find.
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    It's awesome how people fail to see that the R600 design too was long, and the card ended up big, hot and disappointing; but AMD used nearly the exact same design in 3000s, 4000s and 5000s and all those cards kicked butt.

    If this is a good design, it might fail for Nvidia this time (which I believe it will) but could be the base for some awesome products later this year or next year. An underwhelming product doesn't mean that Nvidia is dead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by annihilat0r View Post
    It's awesome how people fail to see that the R600 design too was long, and the card ended up big, hot and disappointing; but AMD used nearly the exact same design in 3000s, 4000s and 5000s and all those cards kicked butt.

    If this is a good design, it might fail for Nvidia this time (which I believe it will) but could be the base for some awesome products later this year or next year. An underwhelming product doesn't mean that Nvidia is dead.
    This is a really good point.

    I too think Nvidia is... Well not "doomed," but in trouble for a little while. But perhaps as you said it'll be a long term gain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajaidev View Post
    Since November. bring it Nvidia

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    Quote Originally Posted by saaya View Post
    compute shader for games? idk... except for ai and physics, what could you use it for?
    A great deal of graphics effects can be implemented as massive parallel computing tasks, getting around the limitations of the traditional shader pipeline and repetitive texture fetching, like the various ambient occlusion methods, full-res lens effects, order-independent transparency (a bliss for all the deferred engines out there) and many more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by annihilat0r View Post
    It's awesome how people fail to see that the R600 design too was long, and the card ended up big, hot and disappointing; but AMD used nearly the exact same design in 3000s, 4000s and 5000s and all those cards kicked butt.

    If this is a good design, it might fail for Nvidia this time (which I believe it will) but could be the base for some awesome products later this year or next year. An underwhelming product doesn't mean that Nvidia is dead.
    Let's not forget that nVidia ended up dominated sales for the period between R600 and RV770 (although RV670 help stem the tide). If Fermi really is an R600 type scenario than nVidia is in far a dark time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajaidev View Post
    Charlie's not ready. He will need a new pair of underpants
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    Quote Originally Posted by ajaidev View Post
    No.
    Nvidia, are YOU ready?

    November was soo last decade.

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    [Rumour] Geforce GTX 480 to be as hot as GTX 285

    Source: http://www.fudzilla.com/
    We got some word that Nvidia's upcoming Fermi-based Geforce GTX 480 single GPU card should be as hot as the GTX 285. These are still preliminary results, as Nvidia still has to send out the final cards with the final coolers, but this looks like slightly better result that the GTX 480 that we saw at CES 2010.

    The TDP of the GTX 480 will end up higher than on GTX 285, but with the help of a good cooler the thermals should be very close.

    The noise lever should also be very comparable and the card should not end up much noisier than GTX 285. We heard numerous times that GTX 480 will end up with different cooler than the one we saw at CES 2010 and that was showed to Nvidia's loyal press at Editor Days.

    All in all, you won't burn your fingers on the GTX 480, but it won't be cold either.
    Not so bad if you ask me. Higher TDP as expected, but looks like the cooler will be more decent so it's not a big deal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jowy Atreides View Post
    November was soo last decade.
    Last decade or not, you STILL don't need new cards or DX11.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NaMcO View Post
    Last decade or not, you STILL don't need new cards or DX11.
    You can already play Battleforge, BFBC2, Dirt 2 and CoP in DirectX 11 mode, though. AvP's almost ready.
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