The GT300/Fermi Thread - Part 2!

[highoctane]

Actually, I care a great deal if NVIDIA creates a whole "generation" out of rebranding.

NVIDIA - The Way It's Meant To Manipulate Unsuspecting Buyers, version 2010.
That's just lame.

I agree that the renaming is pretty lame but seriously anybody who is buying a discrete video card and doesn't know anything about what they are actually buying doesn't give a rats rumpus about it to begin with or should be seeking help in their purchase. Not everyone needs to be informed because it simply doesn't matter or that they simply don't care and just want video. An unsuspecting buyer that is clueless can just as easily end up with an AGP or PCI card, also considering very old video cards are still manufactured and sold today a consumer can end up with a 5 generation old video card just as easy a current gen video card without using basic common sense.

You don't have to be the sharpest tool in the shed to be able to read a product box to compare or simply google, its really not rocket science.

The world isn't going to hold the consumers hand, consumer's have survived happily for many years just fine and I believe they will continue to do so.

Obviously you are not falling for any rebranding, do you think you are that much smarter than the rest of the world...

[Teemax]

Obviously you are not falling for any rebranding, do you think you are that much smarter than the rest of the world...

There's nothing "smart" about it. You and I belong to a minority group of people who follow tech news closely.

Do you seriously believe that NVIDIA rebrand their cards just for fun and to piss off tech enthusiasts? They do it because it works, shady business tactics or not.

[highoctane]

There's nothing "smart" about it. You and I belong to a minority group of people who follow tech news closely.

Do you seriously believe that NVIDIA rebrand their cards just for fun and to piss off tech enthusiasts? They do it because it works, shady business tactics or not.

You don't have to follow tech closely or be a techie to be informed no more than you have to be a mechanical engineer to purchase a car. What it boils down to is that those who are looking for a specific thing will do their research while those who don't care will simply buy what they have budgeted for regardless.

Its not about being in a minority group of folks that follow tech, its about having the basic common sense to know what you are spending your hard earned money on. Its the basic common sense to be somewhat informed before making any purchase unless you simply don't care at which point it doesn't matter either way.

[Teemax]

You don't have to follow tech closely or be a techie to be informed no more than you have to be a mechanical engineer to purchase a car. What it boils down to is that those who are looking for a specific thing will do their research while those who don't care will simply buy what they have budgeted for regardless.

Its not about being in a minority group of folks that follow tech, its about having the basic common sense to know what you are spending your hard earned money on. Its the basic common sense to be somewhat informed before making any purchase unless you simply don't care at which point it doesn't matter either way.

So, when a company deceives people by putting a new sticker on it, it's the consumer's fault for falling for this scheme?

GREAT logics there! The absurdity is unbeatable...

[saaya]

So, when a company deceives people by putting a new sticker on it, it's the consumer's fault for falling for this scheme?

GREAT logics there! The absurdity is unbeatable...

maybe hes into anarchsim or believes in some sort of darvinism in the marketing world

it does make sense to some degree... and its happening already... all the "not so smart" people fall for the most pathetic marketing shemes and waste their money on things they dont need, while more considerate buyers are able to have a high standard of life with the same income as a result of managing their wealth better and buying good products they really need

[highoctane]

So, when a company deceives people by putting a new sticker on it, it's the consumer's fault for falling for this scheme?

GREAT logics there! The absurdity is unbeatable...

Do you buy a house without doing research, do you buy a car without doing research, do you blindly buy your groceries at the store without looking at exp dates, do you buy gas from the most expensive gas station, do you buy the first flat panel lcd screen you see without researching or reading the specs, do you buy whatever ram is on the shelf without knowing its specs, do you buy just any tire for your car without knowing what size or rating they are, do you still buy pet food known to be tainted and can kill your pet, do you spray your lawn with herbicide without reading the label and understanding what it is first, do you just up and go on vacation without doing research on the destination.............

Being informed/educated is a consumers responsibility, to think that that the consumer is not capable of making an informed decision by reading the box or ask questions of the product they intend to buy is ridiculous.

If people don't know what the flip they are buying maybe they shouldn't be buying it without getting their knowledge on first, a novel idea yes....

[h0bbes]

Being informed/educated is a consumers responsibility, to think that that the consumer is not capable of making an informed decision by reading the box or ask questions of the product they intend to buy is ridiculous.

If people don't know what the flip they are buying maybe they shouldn't be buying it without getting their knowledge on first, a novel idea yes....

That's quite narrow minded in my opinion. You would be surprised by how ignorant you or me or the average customer is when it comes to everyday shopping such as food. But anyway that's irrelevant. I expect somebody who buys specific hardware parts(eg gfx cards) to be fully aware of what he is buying, even though i doubt the average person considers renaming. If another person who doesn't really bother with computers (yes such people exist) decides to buy a tower or a whole computer system, they won't really know if the gfx card is an old one with just a new name. It is logical to assume that if the model has a different numbering system (eg from 200 to 300), then it is most probably a newer and I can think of lots of friends of mine who would fall into that trap. Yes it is ultimately their mistake but you have to be aware of something in order to look for it.

[highoctane]

That's quite narrow minded in my opinion. You would be surprised by how ignorant you or me or the average customer is when it comes to everyday shopping such as food. But anyway that's irrelevant. I expect somebody who buys specific hardware parts(eg gfx cards) to be fully aware of what he is buying, even though i doubt the average person considers renaming. If another person who doesn't really bother with computers (yes such people exist) decides to buy a tower or a whole computer system, they won't really know if the gfx card is an old one with just a new name. It is logical to assume that if the model has a different numbering system (eg from 200 to 300), then it is most probably a newer and I can think of lots of friends of mine who would fall into that trap. Yes it is ultimately their mistake but you have to be aware of something in order to look for it.

I wouldn't call it narrow minded, we all have freedom to choose how we spend our money and to make sure we spend it as wisely as we can.

Generally in life there is nobody holding your hand and walking you through a purchase of any sort. It is up to the individual consumer to take some initiative and become familiar with what they are spending their money on so they are not just blindly throwing money away without knowing what they are actually buying or if they even need it.

The way to be aware of something is to at the very least do some very basic research before making a purchase and become an informed consumer regardless of what it is, its simply good practice to know what the heck you are buying, why you need it or what it will do.

Thats not to say I haven't made my share of spur of the moment purchases that where bad which is why I try to take a little more time before making certain purchases now.

I'm not going to try and justify any sort of relabeling but I do believe it is ultimately up to the consumer to make responsible decisions regardless.

Anyways its waaaaaay off topic, we need more fermi information already!!!!

[Teemax]

Do you buy a house without doing research, do you buy a car without doing research, do you blindly buy your groceries at the store without looking at exp dates, do you buy gas from the most expensive gas station, do you buy the first flat panel lcd screen you see without researching or reading the specs, do you buy whatever ram is on the shelf without knowing its specs, do you buy just any tire for your car without knowing what size or rating they are, do you still buy pet food known to be tainted and can kill your pet, do you spray your lawn with herbicide without reading the label and understanding what it is first, do you just up and go on vacation without doing research on the destination.............

Being informed/educated is a consumers responsibility, to think that that the consumer is not capable of making an informed decision by reading the box or ask questions of the product they intend to buy is ridiculous.

If people don't know what the flip they are buying maybe they shouldn't be buying it without getting their knowledge on first, a novel idea yes....

From your description, I'd have to imagine that most of your days are spent "doing research" to avoid being a "stupid consumer" then.


I guess I belong to the "stupid consumer" category actually. I buy food without doing much research, I go for the brands I trust. I buy gas from a station close-by (it's not worth it to go across town for the cheapest station). I buy clothes because they look nice without doing exhaustive research of their material or production method. I have brands that I trust from experience. And buy paying more for these brands, I save on piece of mind.


So, besides hardware, how do you spend your day "researching" the things that you buy? Must be a full time job I suppose!

[highoctane]

From your description, I'd have to imagine that most of your days are spent "doing research" to avoid being a "stupid consumer" then.


I guess I belong to the "stupid consumer" category actually. I buy food without doing much research, I go for the brands I trust. I buy gas from a station close-by (it's not worth it to go across town for the cheapest station). I buy clothes because they look nice without doing exhaustive research of their material or production method. I have brands that I trust from experience. And buy paying more for these brands, I save on piece of mind.


So, besides hardware, how do you spend your day "researching" the things that you buy? Must be a full time job I suppose!

You can label yourself how you see fit, if thats how you feel is not for me to decide.

You're making a bunch of irrational assumptions on what I actually wrote.

If you actually go back and spend a little more time reading what I wrote and cool your top a little what I wrote about food it was in regards to exp dates such as say milk and breads, as far as reading the package to make sure it isn't expired or expiring before you can have a chance to consume it not what its made of or how its processed.

Gas stations are everywhere and odds are you will hit many on your journey to your destination, you're free to spend your money at whichever you want but thats no excuse for being wasteful if there is a cheaper gas station on the way than the first one you come to on the corner.

Do you spend your days ranting about how brainless you seem to feel the rest of civilization may be and how everybody needs to have a special friend looking over their shoulder to help them make a wise decision in the big bad evil world???

You surely can make your own decisions based on what you know why don't you give the rest of the world a little credit that they can be as bright as you and get through the smoke and mirrors of life just the same.

I'm not your do boy to answer your questions for things you can google yourself.

As the saying goes, give a man a fish he'll eat for a day, teach a man to fish and he'll eat for a lifetime.

Go get fishing and answer your own questions....