The GT300/Fermi Thread - Part 2!

[SKYMTL]

Actually, I care a great deal if NVIDIA creates a whole "generation" out of rebranding.

That's based on assumption and nothing more. Most of the GT200 series of cards aren't even in production anymore so you can't get a rebrand of something that doesn't exist.

People are jumping to conclusions here based off of the renaming of a single card. Heaven knows why NVIDIA did that with the 310 but I don't think it can set a precedent simply because the stock necessary for a rebadged launch isn't around.

[Teemax]

That's based on assumption and nothing more. Most of the GT200 series of cards aren't even in production anymore so you can't get a rebrand of something that doesn't exist.

People are jumping to conclusions here based off of the renaming of a single card. Heaven knows why NVIDIA did that with the 310 but I don't think it can set a precedent simply because the stock necessary for a rebadged launch isn't around.

Is it?

You must have missed the "launch" of the new GeForce 300M chips then.
GTS 360M, GTS 350M, GTS 335M, GTS 330M, GTS325, 310M and 305M... that's a pretty complete line up there, and they're all rebrands.

BTW, those "brand new" Quattro FX Mobile? Rebrands.
http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/17494/1/


Basing on a one card incident? Hardly!

[SKYMTL]

Is it?

You must have missed the "launch" of the new GeForce 300M chips then.
GTS 360M, GTS 350M, GTS 335M, GTS 330M, GTS325, 310M and 305M... that's a pretty complete line up there, and they're all rebrands.

BTW, those "brand new" Quattro FX Mobile? Rebrands.
http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/17494/1/


Basing on a one card incident? Hardly!

Hold on....when did this conversation turn to mobile parts?

[Teemax]

Hold on....when did this conversation turn to mobile parts?

If anything, the mobile parts give a good indication that NVIDIA continues their great rebranding scheme into their 3xx series. So it's actually an assumption to think that they'd stop.

[SKYMTL]

If anything, the mobile parts give a good indication that NVIDIA continues their great rebranding scheme into their 3xx series. So it's actually an assumption to think that they'd stop.

Fine, if you want to talk about mobile Quadro parts, let's do just that.

You point towards the Quadro article at Fudzilla to be an indication of rebadged parts. They are not. I have used Quadro cards for most of my professional life from the current 2700M in a laptop all the way back to the NVS days.

The previous generation of DX10-capable mobile Quadro cards were the 370M, 770M, 1700M, 2700M and 3700M. The new cards are all x8xxM which makes total sense to me considering they now support higher memory bandwidth, OpenCL 3.2, have EnergyStar certification, use a new power management system....the list goes on.

How is that a rebrand again? They added updated tech but you expect them to keep the same names? Now THAT would cause confusion.

[Teemax]

Fine, if you want to talk about mobile Quadro parts, let's do just that.

You point towards the Quadro article at Fudzilla to be an indication of rebadged parts. They are not. I have used Quadro cards for most of my professional life from the current 2700M in a laptop all the way back to the NVS days.

The previous generation of DX10-capable mobile Quadro cards were the 370M, 770M, 1700M, 2700M and 3700M. The new cards are all x8xxM which makes total sense to me considering they now support higher memory bandwidth, OpenCL 3.2, have EnergyStar certification, use a new power management system....the list goes on.

How is that a rebrand again? They added updated tech but you expect them to keep the same names? Now THAT would cause confusion.

It's the same chip, they simply put in higher memory and update the software and call it a new generation.
You call that a new product?


BTW, you surely want to talk only about the Quadro parts, since at least they did something before renaming. The whole Gefore 3xx line right now is just a plain mindless rebranding. If you support this kind of creating a whole new "generation" from rebranding, do go on the record and say so.

[SKYMTL]

It's the same chip, they simply put in higher memory and update the software and call it a new generation.
You call that a new product?

They aren't marketing it as a new product but rather an updated version of a product that has been around since 2008....

The whole Gefore 3xx line right now is just a plain mindless rebranding. If you support this kind of creating a whole new "generation" from rebranding, do go on the record and say so.

If the issues trickle down into the discrete desktop series and they do so without including any additional features, then I will have an issue. OEM cards are different since most of the time any rebrands in this space are done at the betest of the large system integrators.

The mobile space has long had issues with rebranding from NVIDIA, ATI, Intel, AMD, etc. so I can't really pistol-whip NVIDIA for it since its been done countless other times by what seems like every manufacturer. Is it wrong? I can't really say but I don't like it any more than you do. It's just necessary to look at the whole picture instead of just focusing on what's happening right in front of you.

[Decami]

It's the same chip, they simply put in higher memory and update the software and call it a new generation.
You call that a new product?


BTW, you surely want to talk only about the Quadro parts, since at least they did something before renaming. The whole Gefore 3xx line right now is just a plain mindless rebranding. If you support this kind of creating a whole new "generation" from rebranding, do go on the record and say so.

I condone the re-branding of products method, in business signed: Decami 2/2/2010

You and everyone else can complain all day about how much it "annoys" you, but the fact of the matter is, its an insanely profitable market strategy and used by more companies than you can possibly know, not just Nvidia, this is nothing new, at all.

whats it do? make money on the weakest links of the consumer, we fortunately are not those links, be happy that you aren't and move on. Nvidia rebrands, oh god, lets freak out every time they do, and every time every other company does. Not gonna change a thing. I figured people would be over this by now.

back to fermi talk....