Samsung unveils two high-contrast 23-inch LCD monitors

[illidan]

for human eye 16:9 is more natural

[YukonTrooper]

PVA panels historically have high input lag. So, while they can put out a very nice picture, with deeper blacks than most IPS panels, they are generally not good for gaming. It would be nice if that changed and gamers could suddenly have a lot more choices in 8-bit panels.

There are notable exceptions. Samsung's already released c-PVA monitor (I forget the name right now) has almost 0ms of input lag.

[Rock&Roll]

There are notable exceptions. Samsung's already released c-PVA monitor (I forget the name right now) has almost 0ms of input lag.

I must find more info about this model... *scurries off to google*

[Helmore]

I must find more info about this model... *scurries off to google*

Tell us when you find it, I'm curious as well.

[SamHughe]

The lack of market interest and manufacturer support for 27"+ monitors is appalling .

[YukonTrooper]

I must find more info about this model... *scurries off to google*

Tell us when you find it, I'm curious as well.

Samsung F2380. The contrast on this monitor is what's most stunning. The responsiveness is a bit of a letdown, though, considering the low input-lag. Review: http://www.digitalversus.com/article-357-6293-36.html

Note: Use Digital Versus' product face-offs section for input lag results.

[Mats]

for human eye 16:9 is more natural

That may be true, I dunno, but the real reason why people hate it so much is because the market is completely flooded with 1366 x 768 laptops,
and they all look like a joke compared to my friends five year old laptop that got 1400 x 1050. And if you want a better resolution you have to pay a 30 % price premium.

Desktop displays aren't much better. Going from 1680 x 1050 to 1920 x 1080, wtf is the point?

2560 x 1440 is more than welcome, and I wouldn't mind something between this and 1920 x 1080, like 2240 x 1260.

When adopting a new aspect ratio, the number of pixels in either direction shouldn't be reduced.

[Rock&Roll]

Tell us when you find it, I'm curious as well.

The monitor I think YukonTrooper is referring to is the Samsung F2380. The bad news is that everything I'm seeing thus for doesn't point to C-PVA being anywhere near zero-input-lag. 8ms like other VA is what I'm seeing.

That said, the Samsung F2380 does look like a damn nice non-gaming monitor.

EDIT: Appears I'm slow

[YukonTrooper]

The monitor I think YukonTrooper is referring to is the Samsung F2380. The bad news is that everything I'm seeing thus for doesn't point to C-PVA being anywhere near zero-input-lag. 8ms like other VA is what I'm seeing.

The response time has nothing to do with input-lag, but rather the responsiveness of the pixels to change states (motion handling AKA blurriness, streaking, etc.). You should never trust a manufacturer's rated response time of actual responsiveness either. Some 8ms VA panels have less blurring than 5ms TN panels, for example. Unfortunately, the F2380 doesn't handle motion the best.

[cirons]

That may be true, I dunno, but the real reason why people hate it so much is because the market is completely flooded with 1366 x 768 laptops,
and they all look like a joke compared to my friends five year old laptop that got 1400 x 1050. And if you want a better resolution you have to pay a 30 % price premium.

Desktop displays aren't much better. Going from 1680 x 1050 to 1920 x 1080, wtf is the point?

2560 x 1440 is more than welcome, and I wouldn't mind something between this and 1920 x 1080, like 2240 x 1260.

When adopting a new aspect ratio, the number of pixels in either direction shouldn't be reduced.

There are a few 2048x1152 23" monitors out. I certainly like my dell model.

[Serpentarius]

hmmm ... no 3D?

[Mats]

There are a few 2048x1152 23" monitors out. I certainly like my dell model.

Yeah, I forgot about those. That resolution should be used on larger displays too.

But the point is, no manufacturer seems to think that there's a need for a resolution between 1920 and 2540 on displays larger than 24", regardless of aspect ratio.
To me it's just a too big jump in both resolution and price.

[Newblar]

Yeah, I forgot about those. That resolution should be used on larger displays too.

But the point is, no manufacturer seems to think that there's a need for a resolution between 1920 and 2540 on displays larger than 24", regardless of aspect ratio.
To me it's just a too big jump in both resolution and price.

makes me wonder, where are the huge cheap 2540 TN panels?
is there no market for them?

[WaterFlex]

16:10 LCD died?

[zalbard]

Samsung F2380. The contrast on this monitor is what's most stunning. The responsiveness is a bit of a letdown, though, considering the low input-lag. Review: http://www.digitalversus.com/article-357-6293-36.html

Note: Use Digital Versus' product face-offs section for input lag results.

http://www.prad.de/en/monitore/revie...ung-f2380.html a better review imo.
Edit: that's for an older non-M version, though.

[mikeyakame]

makes me wonder, where are the huge cheap 2540 TN panels?
is there no market for them?

I believe the problem is there are no manufacturers of them. 30" 2560x1600 S-IPS panels are primarily manufactured by LG-Phillips. They also manufacture the only 27" 2560x1440 H-IPS panel, used by Apple and Dell so far. The biggest problem I believe is the tooling required to do 30" panels currently, its far too expensive of an investment and no other manufacturers have the experience with making these types of panels at present.

[PatRaceTin]

color look good for me

[Helmore]

I believe the problem is there are no manufacturers of them. 30" 2560x1600 S-IPS panels are primarily manufactured by LG-Phillips. They also manufacture the only 27" 2560x1440 H-IPS panel, used by Apple and Dell so far. The biggest problem I believe is the tooling required to do 30" panels currently, its far too expensive of an investment and no other manufacturers have the experience with making these types of panels at present.

Wouldn't TN's deficiency in viewing angles become quite obvious when using a TN matrix to produce your 30" panel?

[mikeyakame]

Wouldn't TN's deficiency in viewing angles become quite obvious when using a TN matrix to produce your 30" panel?

You're probably right, it definitely would. A 24" TN panel is already very obvious with viewing angle.

When I went from a 24" TN to a 30" S-IPS the difference is night and day, on a 30" IPS the viewing angle problem is non-existent. I can look at it from any angle and the image looks exactly the same. I go back to looking at my old 24" TN and it really hurts my eyes from the horrendous viewing angles it has. Hopefully backlighting can improve TN panels to the point they are feasible for anything above 24"!

[XSAlliN]

Not from Samsung, some form of PVA.

cPVA to be more exact, they started promoting their new technology with Samsung F2380 and this models have same purpose. If the users appreciate them, other brands will use cPVA panels with their monitors.

[Helmore]

You're probably right, it definitely would. A 24" TN panel is already very obvious with viewing angle.

When I went from a 24" TN to a 30" S-IPS the difference is night and day, on a 30" IPS the viewing angle problem is non-existent. I can look at it from any angle and the image looks exactly the same. I go back to looking at my old 24" TN and it really hurts my eyes from the horrendous viewing angles it has. Hopefully backlighting can improve TN panels to the point they are feasible for anything above 24"!

The backlighting will never be able to solve poor viewing angles.

[XSAlliN]

The backlighting will never be able to solve poor viewing angles.

True, the viewing angles problem is "panel related" in this case TN" - which is the worst at this chapter.

[JoeBar]

16:10 LCD died?

I wonder also...

16:10 monitors (especially above 24") will be a niche market in the near future, if u ask me...

[To(V)bo Co(V)bo]

I got a 23" xl2370 led backlit. It looks very nice to me. It has strong blacks and colors, while having a really high brightness. The image is phenomanal, The only drawback is the viewing angles and 16x9. Input lag and response are dead on, almost crt. I was really torn, cause it was this or a dell 2408wfp. I actually chose this tn over pva, its that good.

[LightSpeed]

Dont forget the NEC EA231WMi, an e-IPS with a decent enough price tag, and DP connectors as well

I personally cant stand TN panels above 20 inch, the viewing angles piss me off, really