Quote Originally Posted by Kuroimaho View Post
So selling a 258mm2 Deneb die from 145$ is economical, but a 346mm2 for 400$ isn't. Seems to me for simple economic reason they should be selling 6core for 400$ rather than denebs for less than half as much, BTW Intel can charge up to 562$ for the 950. With their current server marketshare there should be capacity to drop 6 cores on the desktop.
Maybe you haven't noticed the difference between the 258mm2 and 346mm2 sizes. ~90nm2 is a pretty big difference in the semiconductor manufacturing and I haven't mentioned the yield rate which is very important. Anyway the Deneb is a whole different story. They should have to cover the market with cheaper Deneb based CPUs. IMHO now they can sell many Istanbul CPUs (more than Shanghai) so they don't need to hurry to sell these dies cheaper in the desktop segment. The desktop market doesn't really need six-core CPUs yet.

BTW the Intel will release only one desktop six-core CPU at the start. i7-980X for $999. It's not accidental.


Last I heard even AMD execs wouldn't buy their own platforms I doubt beside fanboys many cares.
You better to not beleive this "heard" things. Otherwise the right wording is exec and not execs. Henri Richard (fired in 2007) supposedly wrote this sentence in an email in 2004. He was just complaining about the company's poor marketing strategy.

Delaying the 6 core cpus for almost a year because of this is really unlikely, especially if it goes against economic reasons. Intel tried several times to establish a platform on the desktop not many could name one, let alone AMD's.
I sadly see that you couldn't understand my interpretation. The desktop market does not need 6 core cpu's yet. They don't have to hurry at all.


6 core cpu, people who buy platforms won't really need one.
890 chipset, what difference would it make over the current ones that platform buyers benefit from ?
You can't see through this whole platform question. You can buy the platform in parts you don't have to buy it in a complete system.

The platforms demonstrate the company's top products in a whole unit. It has an important marketing part.

I believe close to nothing.
5800 series Vga, same as 6 core cpu, people who buy platforms most likely do fine with the IGP.
You're wrong.


Unless they have to touch that area because the g34 will use quad channel memory and it needs a little tweaking for optimum performance.
What kind of tweaking are you talking about? The G34 contains two dies in one package while the C32 contains only one from exactly the same die.



As the AMD told earlier the Magny-Cours will be two Istanbul die in one package.









source , source 2

Check this thread (and check the dates)

This is not a desktop only cpu, what you don't seem to get that this is the same die they use in the new server cpus which will launch this year and not the ones they did last year. Otherwise it would have been out last summer.
You're right...at last. The Istanbul is really not a dekstop only CPU. The Thuban will be an AM3 packaged Istanbul with the latest stepping (probably D2). That's all. You better to beleive it now otherwise you'll be disappointed later.