The GT300/Fermi Thread

[Jamesrt2004]

GeForce 380 has huge power consumption, but performance is only few percent under HD 5970 and far away from HD 5870 perf. Trust me, will see next week on many servers, when NDA for info lifts!

either your breakign NDA or your just assuming.. silly both ways.

[Manicdan]

If the top Fermi card comes out with 400$ price tag then hell will freeze over.

how so?

[Jamesrt2004]

how so?

cos its soo cheap :P

[zalbard]

how so?

The same reasons why Intel doesn't sell i7 for 100$. Current market prices.
Even if it's going to be just as fast as 5870 (which is around 450$ atm) they will still charge extras for CUDA, PhyX and 3D. Just because they can (and they already do with their other cards). And if it's going to be slower than 5870 at launch - HAHA, Nvidia! But doubt it will happen.

[Manicdan]

prices for CPUs have been going down steadly, only GPUs and SSD drives have been stuck or inflating. the SSD thing is due to memory prices, but ATI has been stuck at 400+$ due to no competition. even if GF100 is 500$, why shouldnt ATI bring prices down? which in turn will make Nvidia bring their prices down too.

are you seriously thinking that in the next 6 months all GPUs will continue to be priced this high?

[zalbard]

are you seriously thinking that in the next 6 months all GPUs will continue to be priced this high?

Have you actually read my post?

If the top Fermi card comes out with 400$ price tag then hell will freeze over.

[Setix]

Ok so they have stated that Fermi isnt as fast as a 5970. Ok the 5970 is 2 5850's in Xfire. So at most you could put 2 5970s in Xfire. However one could theorize 4 Fermis in Quad SLI, which could prove to be faster.

I know the down side would be that 4 cards would suck 1200W of juice, and the cost would be astronomical.

However I would install a Fermi over a 5870 or a 5970, due to driver issues.

I'm not a fanboy one way or the other...Love ATI cards, hate the drivers. Love Nvidia drivers, hate the card cost...

[***Deimos***]

If you want to see Fermi crashing - stay tuned till the end...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-1GM...ayer_embedded#

The BIG question is, how is PhysX and volumetric particle simulation used in the demo Fermi specific? ie Can GF8/200 run this demo - probably yes.

So far I've only seen Fermi running UnEngine and this demo.
* Either everything else (50-100 games + all OS/applications) are running perfectly already.

* Or, not so far along in testing/debuging and these two are among few that are "safe" to run (ie fast and error free).

[***Deimos***]

Ok so they have stated that Fermi isnt as fast as a 5970. Ok the 5970 is 2 5850's in Xfire. So at most you could put 2 5970s in Xfire. However one could theorize 4 Fermis in Quad SLI, which could prove to be faster.

I know the down side would be that 4 cards would suck 1200W of juice, and the cost would be astronomical.

However I would install a Fermi over a 5870 or a 5970, due to driver issues.

I'm not a fanboy one way or the other...Love ATI cards, hate the drivers. Love Nvidia drivers, hate the card cost...

What is so special about nVidia drivers? There are still many year old errors/BSOD still not fixed... but then again nVidia wants you to throw away 6800GT and buy a GTS250.

[zalbard]

However I would install a Fermi over a 5870 or a 5970, due to driver issues.

I'm not a fanboy one way or the other...Love ATI cards, hate the drivers. Love Nvidia drivers, hate the card cost...

I own a 5870 and I've had 0 driver issues. Sure, there were some performance issues, but I am pretty sure Fermi will need quite a few driver updates improving performance till it works 'as intended'.
On the other hand, I had 8800 before, and some of the later drivers were far from being glorious in regards to the game support.
Both companies have semi-good driver teams. However, both screw up time to time.

[jam2k]

Ok the 5970 is 2 5850's in Xfire.

Nope, the 5850 (Cypress Pro) has 1440SPs. The 5970 has two 5870 (Cypress XT) with 1600SPs each but clocked @725Mhz.

So it's faster than two 5850 in Xfire and slower than two 5870 in Xfire.

Obviously you can OC your 5970 to 5870 clocks and reach 5870 XFire performance.

[trinibwoy]

* Either everything else (50-100 games + all OS/applications) are running perfectly already.

* Or, not so far along in testing/debuging and these two are among few that are "safe" to run (ie fast and error free).

* Or maybe you're reading too much into demos of pre-release hardware.

There's no law that says companies should show you hardware running 50 different games before launch to prove that it works. The only reason we got anything at all is because it's late, for G80 we got jack squat before launch so I find the complaints quite strange.

[highoctane]

I'm sure it will work with most games whether they show us proof or not, after all thats pretty much what its designed for.

[ajaidev]

either your breakign NDA or your just assuming.. silly both ways.

Actually he is quite correct on the performance part but not so much on how much, i am not assuming when i say this....

basically 5870<gf100<5970 5870 for 5850 prices

[Teemax]

GeForce 380 has huge power consumption, but performance is only few percent under HD 5970 and far away from HD 5870 perf. Trust me, will see next week on many servers, when NDA for info lifts!

OK I'll wait a week to evaluate this statement

[neliz]

BTW, Next week? oh you mean the 14th?

[JohnZS]

Yeah the 14th is when my next news letter should be coming to
I wonder if nVidia being late to the game means that developers have started to cater more for ATi's marchitecture than nVidia's marchitecture?
IMHO most games seem to run better on nVidia based cards, not really through any fault of ATi hardware, but through the fault of "The way it's meant to be played". You have to wait a while for ATi drivers to cater for games. Hopefully we will see that with the new generation cards are just too powerful for this nonsense to effect us.
John

[Teemax]

So on the 14th, NVIDIA will "launch" the new Telsa line with a big press release?

[neliz]

So on the 14th, NVIDIA will "launch" the new Telsa line with a big press release?

What about a NV30 style pre-release? "present" the architecture and card and launch it a couple of months later? Tesla's are even further out.

[Nedjo]

What about a NV30 style pre-release? "present" the architecture and card and launch it a couple of months later? Tesla's are even further out.

well so far everything was "NV30 style" so why not continue that way

[Luka_Aveiro]

well so far everything was "NV30 style" so why not continue that way

You like nVidia that much?

[Nedjo]

You like nVidia that much?

nop! I'm not emotionally attached to NVIDIA

[Setix]

I own a 5870 and I've had 0 driver issues. Sure, there were some performance issues, but I am pretty sure Fermi will need quite a few driver updates improving performance till it works 'as intended'.
On the other hand, I had 8800 before, and some of the later drivers were far from being glorious in regards to the game support.
Both companies have semi-good driver teams. However, both screw up time to time.

A few of my friends have picked up the 5870, and had to increase the idle speed to 400, to get rid of artifacting.

I'm not trying to argue one way or the other, I can only speak from personal experience and I find that NVidia drivers are more stable.

And I agree 100% that any driver development team has bumps on the road to glory.

[Jowy Atreides]

If the top Fermi card comes out with 400$ price tag then hell will freeze over.

That's today lol. It's hell enough.

[Scaniris]

Love ATI cards, hate the drivers. Love Nvidia drivers, hate the card cost...