X48 Rampage Formula Preview.

[Fritz_the_germ]

What are we going to do with more than 4 cores ?


Most applications can't work with 4 cores. Application that can are mostlikely going the GPGPU way.


Anyway I was looking at the DFI Lanparty DK P45 T2RS Plus. I can buy this one for 128 Euro and I need 2 Thermalright HR-09 mosfet coolers type 3, a Thermalright HR-09U and a Thermalright HR-09S.

Yo Alien Grey,
the DFI LanParty DK P45 RS Plus is the best choise you and all the other overclockers can make.
On the german market is a DK P45 T2RS Plus for 99 € available
My son liked the old ASUS board to start with but now he kind of bored too.
DFI gets you many BIOS pages you have to get your head around first. But if you are into the BIOS the board is doing what you want to do

[Alien Grey]

Yo Alien Grey,
the DFI LanParty DK P45 RS Plus is the best choise you and all the other overclockers can make.
On the german market is a DK P45 T2RS Plus for 99 € available
My son liked the old ASUS board to start with but now he kind of bored too.
DFI gets you many BIOS pages you have to get your head around first. But if you are into the BIOS the board is doing what you want to do

That's good news. Is there a BIOS option available like the Loadline Calibration on the Rampage Formula that's actually working?

Do you know anyone that could run a Q9650 stable at 4.5GHz on that board?


I think I'm going to replace my ASUS Rampage Formula with a DFI Lanparty DK P45 T2RS Plus when I don't see any improvements in the next ASUS Rampage Formula BIOS.

[Alien Grey]

I really don't think Bios development is focused on X48 anymore, even P45 is out of focus... hate to burst ya bubble here... most compatability issues are solved,which is their main objective. For them OC'ing is a never warranted, not even with the ROG lineup (the MFII formula bios issues are the proof )

I talked with some bios engineers of Gigabyte at the last event and main focus was P55 and to support the new clarkdale CPU's and co. I7 will see anew bios lineup to support gulftown and co...
I asked what about P45 and DDR3... you know their 3 letter answer mate : E O L

There might be some new bios but a focus on your particular issues, don't think so... I really hope you can prove me wrong and that you are not fooling yaselves here. But if you don't try you will get nothing...

We all know that it's unlikely that we are going to see new boards based on X48 or P45 but you never know.

Most guys are in the same situation as I am and that means that everything you like you have to pay good money for it. That means if I want to go the X58 or P55 route Ive got to buy a new CPU, board and 3 or 6 GB DDR3 and new watercooling blocks.

Running at stock speeds isn't an option so I probably going to need a second radiator to keep everything cool enough and a new case so I have no problems to build my new rig.

But I also need a SSD drive and a new graphics card.


Hmm... I think I'm going to have to look for a second job if I want to build that rig.


If I was an engineer from Gigabyte or ASUS or whatever other company, I would say the same thing. They need to build new boards but did they ever asked themselves for who they are making these boards?

[Leeghoofd]

new boards never mate gigabyte even pulled their UD6, an even stopped producing their famous P45 UD3P.... it's all about the new cpu's mate S775 has zero priority, I didn't even get my Maximus II Gene as review sample from Asus

[Fritz_the_germ]

That's good news. Is there a BIOS option available like the Loadline Calibration on the Rampage Formula that's actually working?

Do you know anyone that could run a Q9650 stable at 4.5GHz on that board?


I think I'm going to replace my ASUS Rampage Formula with a DFI Lanparty DK P45 T2RS Plus when I don't see any improvements in the next ASUS Rampage Formula BIOS.

Yes,
you can find the "Loadline Calibration" in the DFI DK P45 T2-RS Plus BIOS in the page "voltage setting page" namend "VCore Droop Control" enabled or disabled.
If I know anyone... Are you kidding?
I know many friends who got their Q9650@4500 MHz on a DFI DK P45 stable.

http://img10.abload.de/img/4500mhz_1...umtempcei2.jpg

http://www.hardwareluxx.de/community...d.php?t=649680

If the link does not work check this out:


Sell your ASUS and buy a DFI! You will never ever regret.

[Alien Grey]

Yes,
you can find the "Loadline Calibration" in the DFI DK P45 T2-RS Plus BIOS in the page "voltage setting page" namend "VCore Droop Control" enabled or disabled.
If I know anyone... Are you kidding?
I know many friends who got their Q9650 on a DFI DK P45 stable.

http://img10.abload.de/img/4500mhz_1...umtempcei2.jpg

http://www.hardwareluxx.de/community...d.php?t=649680

If the link does not work check this out:


Sell your ASUS and buy a DFI! You will never ever regret.

WHOOPS...

That's really great. I thought that I've got a low VID Q9650 but that's nothing compared to the one in the picture. Is this a bug in CoreTemp?

Did you get tREF in the BIOS?


Where's ASUS?

I was wondering why we lost the vote stars from this thread but now I know why we lost them. No matter what we post here we will never have something to compare with DFI or Gigabyte.


I'm going to give ASUS some time to come with a good explanation or a new BIOS that could close the gap between our board and DFI or Gigabyte. If it turns out in NOTHING again I'm sold and go for a DFI Lanparty DK P45 T2RS Plus and kiss ASUS goodbye.

[Fritz_the_germ]

WHOOPS...

That's really great. I thought that I've got a low VID Q9650 but that's nothing compared to the one in the picture. Is this a bug in CoreTemp?

Did you get tREF in the BIOS?


Where's ASUS?

I was wondering why we lost the vote stars from this thread but now I know why we lost them. No matter what we post here we will never have something to compare with DFI or Gigabyte.

Here are my Memory Settings:
DRAM Timing Page
Enhance Data Transmitting.................Fast
Enhance Addressing........................Fast
T2 Dispatch...............................Disabled
Clock Setting Fine Delay..................

Flex Memory Mode..........................Auto
CAS Latency Time (tCL)....................5
RAS# to CAS# Delay (tRCD).................5
RAS# Precharge (tRP)......................5
Precharge Delay (tRAS)....................15
All Precharge to Act......................Auto
REF to ACT Delay (tRFC)...................60
Performance Level.........................8
Read Delay Phase Adjust...................Auto
MCH ODT Latency...........................Auto
Write to PRE Delay (tWR)..................Auto
Rank Write to Read (tWTR).................Auto
ACT to ACT Delay (tRRD)...................Auto
Read to Write Delay (tRDWR)...............Auto
Ranks Write to Write (tWRWR)..............Auto
Ranks Write to Read (tWRRD)...............Auto
Read CAS# Precharge (tRTP)................Auto
ALL PRE to Refresh........................Auto

Read Delay Phase Adjust Page
Channel 1 Phase 0 Pull-In.................Auto
Channel 1 Phase 1 Pull-In.................Auto
Channel 1 Phase 2 Pull-In.................Auto
Channel 1 Phase 3 Pull-In.................Auto
Channel 1 Phase 4 Pull-In.................Auto

Channel 2 Phase 0 Pull-In.................Auto
Channel 2 Phase 1 Pull-In.................Auto
Channel 2 Phase 2 Pull-In.................Auto
Channel 2 Phase 3 Pull-In.................Auto
Channel 2 Phase 4 Pull-In.................Auto

Clock Setting Fine Delay Page
DLL and RCOMP Settings .................ByMenu
Ch1 DRAM Default Skew.....................Model 3
Ch2 DRAM Default Skew.....................Model 3
RCOMP Setting.............................Model 1

Fine Delay Step Degree....................70ps


Ch1 Clock Crossing Setting................Nominal
DIMM 1 Clock fine delay...................Current 1924ps
DIMM 2 Clock fine delay...................Current 1924ps
Ch 1 Control0 fine delay..................Current 194ps
Ch 1 Control1 fine delay..................Current 194ps
Ch 1 Control2 fine delay..................Current 110ps
Ch 1 Control3 fine delay..................Current 96ps
Ch 1 Command fine delay...................Current 134ps

Ch2 Clock Crossing Setting................Nominal
DIMM 3 Clock fine delay...................Current 1924ps
DIMM 4 Clock fine delay...................Current 1882ps
Ch 2 Control0 fine delay..................Current 152ps
Ch 2 Control1 fine delay..................Current 152ps
Ch 2 Control2 fine delay..................Current 70ps
Ch 2 Control3 fine delay..................Current 56ps
Ch 2 Command fine delay...................Current 152ps

Ch1Ch2 CommonClock Setting................Nominal

Ch1 RDCAS GNT-Chip Delay..................Auto
Ch1 WRCAS GNT-Chip Delay..................Auto
Ch1 Command to CS Delay...................Auto

Ch2 RDCAS GNT-Chip Delay..................Auto
Ch2 WRCAS GNT-Chip Delay..................Auto
Ch2 Command to CS Delay...................Auto

Hope you have got a little glimpse of what you are able to change.

Where is ASUS? Between nowhere and nothing!

[leo27]

Wow you have independant clock fine delay control
Could you post the GTL settings page so that we can all drool over it

[kuebk]

Lately I've started to think about DFI UT X48 but I can't decide between DDR2 and DDR3. :<

[Fritz_the_germ]

Wow you have independant clock fine delay control
Could you post the GTL settings page so that we can all drool over it

Yo mate,
I think it´s better to post you guys the whole BIOS pages:
http://img.lanparty.tw/Upload/BIOS/CM/DKP45P.pdf

But I am telling you this board won´t forgive any misstakes. If you don´t know what you are doing just let it. A wrong setting and the board refuses to start.
But if you ´ve got your head around this BIOS you will need more than a life to try the very best settings.
I myself had never more oc fun with a board like this one.
No matter if I oc the FSB or the memory it was great.

@Alien-Grey,
what do you think about DFI now?

[Alien Grey]

Yo mate,
I think it´s better to post you guys the whole BIOS pages:
http://img.lanparty.tw/Upload/BIOS/CM/DKP45P.pdf

But I am telling you this board won´t forgive any misstakes. If you don´t know what you are doing just let it. A wrong setting and the board refuses to start.
But if you ´ve got your head around this BIOS you will need more than a life to try the very best settings.
I myself had never more oc fun with a board like this one.
No matter if I oc the FSB or the memory it was great.

@Alien-Grey,
what do you think about DFI now?

Great BIOS design although I don't understand why they didn't include tREF in the BIOS. Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't mikeyakame told us that DFI boards have tREF available?


I just had a quick look at the manual and I noticed something very important. A CPU Clock Skew Delay of 100ps is necessary for FSB > 450MHz.

That confirms my thoughts about the ASUS Rampage Formula. They never made the BIOS to do FSB > 450MHz. If they did we would have got CPU and NB Clock Skew from the very first BIOS release.


Thanks for the picture of your board and a Q9650@4.5GHz. I used it on the ASUS forum. I also complaint again to ASUS and told them to have a look at the picture and give us an explanation why this isn't possible on the ASUS Rampage Formula. Check it out on the forum.

I'll give them some time to come with a good explanation or a new BIOS that can give us these clocks. When they can't give an explanation or I still see no changes in the BIOS than I'm going to follow you and we can continue our discussions and have fun with our hardware. But no more in this thread and no more on the ASUS Rampage Formula forum.

[Fritz_the_germ]

Great BIOS design although I don't understand why they didn't include tREF in the BIOS. Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't mikeyakame told us that DFI boards have tREF available?


I just had a quick look at the manual and I noticed something very important. A CPU Clock Skew Delay of 100ps is necessary for FSB > 450MHz.

That confirms my thoughts about the ASUS Rampage Formula. They never made the BIOS to do FSB > 450MHz. If they did we would have got CPU and NB Clock Skew from the very first BIOS release.


Thanks for the picture of your board and a Q9650@4.5GHz. I used it on the ASUS forum. I also complaint again to ASUS and told them to have a look at the picture and give us an explanation why this isn't possible on the ASUS Rampage Formula. Check it out on the forum.

I'll give them some time to come with a good explanation or a new BIOS that can give us these clocks. When they can't give an explanation or I still see no changes in the BIOS than I'm going to follow you and we can continue our discussions and have fun with our hardware. But no more in this thread and no more on the ASUS Rampage Formula forum.

O.K. I forgot to say something about the tREFs. Normaly the correct tREFs for a memory speed at 400 MHz (=DDR800 MHz ) are calculated this way: Refreshing 7800ps/ (1000/400 MHz)=3120T.
That means if you run a higher speed than 400 MHz (DDR=800 MHz) for example 600 MHz (=DDR1200 MHz) your tRFES should be 7800/(1000/600 MHz)=4680T.
The DFI BIOS call this option CH1/CH2 Clock Crossing Setting. You can choose between "More aggressive, aggressive, nominal, relaxed, more relaxed".

For some reason am I not able to post on the ASUS forum site anymore. Here is my post (meant to be on the ASUS forum site):
Alien-Grey,
Do you remember my argument with ASUS 8 month ago?
Nothing has been changed since. So I respect your patience but I think ASUS doesn´t care about our oc problems. That´s why I bought a DFI DK P45 and I am happy with it.
DFI takes the problems of their custumers seriously. Just look at the ASUS sweet talk down below:

"Thank you for contacting ASUS Customer Service.
My name is Lyn and it's my pleasure to help you with your problem.

I can give you some personal advice. But the overclocking issue is beyond our service. To overclock(RAM over 1200MHz), we cannot guard success for you. We cannot guard how far you can overclock. You need to try it yourself.


P.S. You can get the RAMs work at 1200MHz(O.C speed too). So, the motherboard and BIOS are OK.
Welcome to refer Troubleshooting & FAQ for ASUS products in ASUS website:
http://support.asus.com/troubleshoot...Language=en-us
http://support.asus.com/faq/faq.aspx?SLanguage=en-us

If having any problems, please don't hesitate to let me know. Let's discuss this
issue together.
Thank you for using ASUS products and enjoying ASUS services!

Lyn

ASUS Customer Service Center (Shanghai, China)

If you have any suggestions or complaints about our technical support service,
please e-mail your feedback to Manager_TMSS@asustek.com.cn. We will then
arrange for a specialist to work on your issue. Your suggestions and feedback are
most appreciated and allow us to serve you better".

How old is the 0902 bios? It was released in may 2009! Any other questions? No, thank you.

@eM,
I wouldn´t buy a X48 chip if I won´t use crossfire.

[Alien Grey]

O.K. I forgot to say something about the tREFs. Normaly the correct tREFs for a memory speed at 400 MHz (=DDR800 MHz ) are calculated this way: Refreshing 7800ps/ (1000/400 MHz)=3120T.
That means if you run a higher speed than 400 MHz (DDR=800 MHz) for example 600 MHz (=DDR1200 MHz) your tRFES should be 7800/(1000/600 MHz)=4680T.
The DFI BIOS call this option CH1/CH2 Clock Corssing Setting. You can choose between "More aggressive, aggressive, nominal, relaxed, more relaxed".

If you want 4680T for 1200MHz what do you have to choose?

Is there setting that can give you 16383T?

[kuebk]

X48 > P45.

[Alien Grey]

@Fritz_the_germ

Did you try to reply in a different thread. It's ASUS way to keep the thread clean and I'm the only one that is allowed to show them the weaknesses in their BIOS.

I don't why they don't allow others to post in the thread. The only reason I can think of is to fool themselves and make themselves believe that I'm the only one that has problems to get the best out of my hardware.

I've seen a lot of things on the forum. Threads that disappear, threads that are silently locked so nobody can't post there anymore, hide new posts in the thread and move it back so nobody should know that there is a new post in the thread and lower the view count and now they seem to block people from posting in the thread.


It doesn't matter what they do. I've got a lot of ASUS employees email address from support and engineer to supervisor and I keep everyone in the CC.

It's something that I've learned to do because if you send a mail to only one of them you've got a good chance that you don't get a reply back.


Why I keep on doing it is just because when I don't do it nothing is going to change and who doens't have the money or don't want to buy a new board at the moment is going to be stuck with a BIOS that doesn't allow you to get the best out of their hardware.

[Alien Grey]

I've just received a mail from ASUS. They are working on a new BIOS to give us the overclock profile that we need to run our Quads stable with a high FSB.


I've posted what they wrote to me on the ASUS Rampage Formula forum so everyone can read it.

[Leeghoofd]

Well I'm looking forward to ya results then, hope it's a good start in 2010. Annhouder wint precies :p

[Alien Grey]

Well I'm looking forward to ya results then, hope it's a good start in 2010. Annhouder wint precies :p

Of wie hen kan zeggen waar het fout gaat en hun kan aantonen waar het probleem zit.

Or someone that can tell them where it goes wrong and where the problem is situated.


I just wish they succeed and take the knowledge to implement in their X58 boards so someone can kick some EVGA X58 Classified butt with an ASUS X58 board that would make 2010 a really good year.

[Earzz]

I've just received a mail from ASUS. They are working on a new BIOS to give us the overclock profile that we need to run our Quads stable with a high FSB.

Thats some pretty good news but i dont think it will help my C1 too much, i still will give it a try

[OLDcomer]

I am still using bios 0802 from 01/23/2009 in which they added cpu skew option and for me this is the best bios, giving me the highest fsb. I hope the new one will be better or at least like 0802 with tref option.

[Alien Grey]

Thats some pretty good news but i dont think it will help my C1 too much, i still will give it a try

Try Ai Clock Twister Lighter with BIOS 0902 and maybe you can get your CPU running at higher frequency.

Someone did it on the ASUS Rampage Formula forum and is running his Q9450 at 8 X 475MHz - 3.8GHz.

[Alien Grey]

I am still using bios 0802 from 01/23/2009 in which they added cpu skew option and for me this is the best bios, giving me the highest fsb. I hope the new one will be better or at least like 0802 with tref option.

The new BIOS should be able to run FSB 500MHz stable. My goal is to join the Intel 4.5GHz LinX Stable Club.

I also tried to flash it back to BIOS 0802 to see if something did change from BIOS 0802 to 0902 but couldn't find anything.

[kuebk]

I wonder will it enhance the overall oc not only quads...

[Alien Grey]

I wonder will it enhance the overall oc not only quads...

Yes and no. It should be easier to run at FSB 500MHz but there's still no guarantee that you will do a lot more without problems. At least that's what I think.

[Fritz_the_germ]

If you want 4680T for 1200MHz what do you have to choose?

Is there setting that can give you 16383T?

Yoh Alien-Grey,
here is the answere from Mikeyakame about the tREF issue:

"Well about the CH1/CH2 cross clocking I don't think it has anything to do with tREF, it's to do with how aggressive the clock/ddr out mux timings are between CH1 -> MCH, CH2 -> MCH, CH1 <-> CH2 relative to the input clock/ddr signals. It's something along those lines I believe, it has to do with timing the DLL circuit delays with respect to arrival at the MCH data bus pins.

You shouldn't use a tREF of any higher than required, it might give better synthetic benchmarks, but only because you are artificially reducing the overhead on the bus by using long self-refresh periods. Normally said overhead is used for self-refreshing the data in the memory ic's while there is little bus activity, so whenever the MCH is required to fetch data out of memory, it is available to read. Otherwise if it isn't refreshing the data properly you end up introducing extra clock cycles during real world scenarios, whenever the data has to be fetched from something like the HDD".

However, I saw that the tREFs are calculated down to 2600T if I set "more relaxed" in CH1/Ch2 Clock Crossing setting.
Matter of fact that the data through put isn´t higher setting the Ch1/CH2 Clock Crossing option to "more aggressive oder aggressive".
What you gain is a little bandwidth increasing the tREFs but the higher you go with the tREFs the higher is the risk to get an instable system.

EDIT: I can´t post on the ASUS site anymore but I could rate your Tech.Points up to 15, Alien-Grey