FERMI Benchmarked?

[Solus Corvus]

If the numbers aren't close, then why would the price of R800 have go down, as 003 says?

What 003 says is already highly questionable. I'm just trying to get a straight answer on the performance side of things.

Don't take my word for any of this. Wait for Q1 and see for yourself

Oh don't worry, I will.

[m.fox]

That is why they quickly responded with the GTX285 which slightly bumped up performance and significantly lowered cost of manufacturing.

I don't think 6 months is "quickly".

[003]

I don't think 6 months is "quickly".

I was trying to make a point. They did it as soon as the could.

[Alous]

The charts are most likely faked. Price/performance of the high end GeForce Fermi will be very good. If the 5970 remains priced at what it is currently after Fermi is released, it will be quite a waste of money.

Mmm, your statement only seems logical if you were talking about the Dual-Fermi card but thers no way on this earth that the GTX380 with nearly double the die size( Manufacture Cost) will be a better perf/$. I repeat "003" the 380 will NOT cost less than 500$. Whereas the 5970 would drop to 500$ after what? 5 months of its release date? 100$ for 5 months seems a very good deal to me LMAO
And hes calling the 5970 a waste of many

[postumus]

What 003 says is already highly questionable. I'm just trying to get a straight answer on the performance side of things.



Oh don't worry, I will.

Trying to get a straight answer from 003?

He keeps changing his tune every 5 minutes to fit with whatever rumour/official thing comes out. My disgarded lunch is more likely is more likely to have insider information imo.

[003]

Mmm, your statement only seems logical if you were talking about the Dual-Fermi card but thers no way on this earth that the GTX380 with nearly double the die size( Manufacture Cost) will be a better perf/$. I repeat "003" the 380 will NOT cost less than 500$. Whereas the 5970 would drop to 500$ after what? 5 months of its release date? 100$ for 5 months seems a very good deal to me LMAO
And hes calling the 5970 a waste of many

Where did I say that the 5970 is a waste of money?

He keeps changing his tune every 5 minutes to fit with whatever rumour/official thing comes out

I never changed my story. Before an NDA was broken to inform me some details regarding Fermi, what I was posting was simply my speculations. Sometimes I may have come off as trying to state them as fact, but that was only because I personally wanted them to be true. Once I learned what I know now, my "story" has been the same.

[Alous]

Looks legit to me. In the one you posted the 5970 gets 78.3fps in FC2 at 1920x1200 with 8xAA. In the Nvidia slide it gets 77fps with the same settings.

Didnt you see how he changed his mind ? He started to say those slides looks legit to Him. Then he posted that those are fakes ,your contradicting yourself 003, maybe seek some help?
And the 5970 STILL a better deal EVEN if thats the 380 performance considering the launch date of both products

[Alous]

Where did I say that the 5970 is a waste of money?



I never changed my story. Before an NDA was broken to inform me some details regarding Fermi, what I was posting was simply my speculations. Sometimes I may have come off as trying to state them as fact, but that was only because I personally wanted them to be true. Once I learned what I know now, my "story" has been the same.

EVEN if the 5970 Remains at 599$ and the 380 at 499$( Probably more if nVidia wants some profits), the 5970 being slighly faster is still a good deal and I already quoted you saying the 5970 is a waste of money on my previous post You want som1 to move your mouse over it? Let me know that, either your visual skills and memory are lacking or is it something else?
I only believe in one thing: LOGIC ,thats how life is made.

[annihilat0r]

Didnt you see how he changed his mind ? He started to say those slides looks legit to Him. Then he posted that those are fakes

Indeed. At first he said that they "look legit", but then he said "they were probably fakes"

What changed inbetween? The info under NDA?

[postumus]

Where did I say that the 5970 is a waste of money?



I never changed my story. Before an NDA was broken to inform me some details regarding Fermi, what I was posting was simply my speculations. Sometimes I may have come off as trying to state them as fact, but that was only because I personally wanted them to be true. Once I learned what I know now, my "story" has been the same.

Oh ok, so when you're wrong, you're actually right?

IE I may have stated something as fact, bc I *wanted* it to be true.

I suppose we should just read your mind when you want something so badly for Nvidia you mislead us.

Also, some1 was complaining abouta user being a potential shill for AMD, and whether said user was actually being paid by AMD. That said, I'd say 003 ought to consider emailing Nvidia about a salary plan.

[***Deimos***]

You guys do realize that HD5870 and HD5970 are here now.

If you're the type who must have the fastest, you already have (or should have) a HD5970 (or 2 of them).
If you're the type who must have the newest best DX cards.. you definitely have an AMD card since they are only ones that make DX11 cards.

You could "predict" "guess" "pray" etc, for Fermi. You could end up waiting a long time or a very very long time.
Or just get a HD5870 today.

Besides, even if Fermi is perfectly amazing awesome and a bit faster.. so what? Its not like it has a feature advantage (ie both DX11) - I haven't heard anything about eyeInfinity killer have you?

[Blacky]

You guys do realize that HD5870 and HD5970 are here now.

If you're the type who must have the fastest, you already have (or should have) a HD5970 (or 2 of them).
If you're the type who must have the newest best DX cards.. you definitely have an AMD card since they are only ones that make DX11 cards.

You could "predict" "guess" "pray" etc, for Fermi. You could end up waiting a long time or a very very long time.
Or just get a HD5870 today.

Besides, even if Fermi is perfectly amazing awesome and a bit faster.. so what? Its not like it has a feature advantage (ie both DX11) - I haven't heard anything about eyeInfinity killer have you?

not for those that have a GTX295 or GT200 either R700 has no need to be rushing, if not wait for fermi then decide whats the best buy...but for a guy who has a GTS250 maybe...

[randomizer]

Let's look at that quote from successful_troll again:

This benchmarks is not fake, is from the tomshardware review about the GTX 300 series.

There is no THG review. He lied about this, therefore the graphs are fake.

Now, we know that the "official" NVIDIA one with data about Far Cry 2 has been taken from these charts. Therefore it is also fake. Why then would the other "official" charts, which were all posted together with the obviously fake one, be real? There is nothing to speculate about here.

[003]

I don't do this often, but I am home sick right now and have a lot of time, and there is something about your poor argumentation techniques, logical fallacies and blatant bias that just bugs me.

Didnt you see how he changed his mind ?

Changed my mind about what? My initial post where I said "Looks legit to me" was in response to another member who had posted a comment claiming that they looked fake because the performance of the 5970 was greatly differing from its performance on the same benchmark coming from different sources. I was pointing out that that claim was in fact false and the performance of the 5970 on the graphs in question is accurate to within a fraction of a frame in comparison to the same benchmark from other sources. When I said "Looks legit to me", I was referring to the fact that 5970 performance in the graphs in question is actually accurate when compared to the same benchmark of the 5970 from other sources.

He started to say those slides looks legit to Him. Then he posted that those are fakes ,your contradicting yourself 003

In the response to the quote above this I have explained in detail how I in fact did not say they looked legitimate in the sense that they held truth. Therefore, my statement saying the charts are faked does not contradict my initial statement of "Looks legit to me". Furthermore, claiming the charts "look legitimate" is technically a true statement, as they were taken from previous official slides from Nvidia and photoshopped to look as though they represent Fermi and HD5000 generation cards. Therefore, they do look legitimate, which is an entirely different statement than claiming they are legitimate. In this sense, they still do look legitimate.

maybe seek some help?

What a lovely condescending personal attack. Post reported.

And the 5970 STILL a better deal EVEN if thats the 380 performance considering the launch date of both products

This was so poorly worded it took me a minute to figure out what you were trying to say, but I believe you mean to say Even if the GTX380 matches the performance of the 5970, the 5970 is still the better deal considering it was launched earlier.

If that is what you meant to say then there is much wrong with the statement. First of all, you are taking two variables that have no correlation (release date and performance, of which you lack both for Fermi) and using them to extrapolate a third unrelated variable, value. On top of this logical fallacy, it is also flawed in the sense that you would need to know the MSRP of both products to draw even the most remote assessment of value, and that is a piece of information you do not have.

EVEN if the 5970 Remains at 599$ and the 380 at 499$( Probably more if nVidia wants some profits), the 5970 being slighly faster is still a good deal

Now this is an interesting turning of the tables. You are claiming that if the GTX380 is $500 and the 5970 is $600, and if performance of the 5970 is slightly faster than that of the GTX380, that the 5970 would be a good deal.

If I recall correctly, the GTX280 was slightly faster (considerably faster in some circumstances) than the 4870 but cost quite a bit more. Because of that, many people said it was a bad deal and waste of money considering the price/performance of the 4870 was much better. What you appear to be saying is that if the price/performance of the GTX380 is better than that of the 5970, but the 5970 is still faster than the GTX380, then the 5970 is still a better deal even if the GTX380 has the better price/performance ratio. This would be a complete 180 degree flip of the mindset people had in the previous generation with the GTX280 and 4870. What would be your reasoning for this 180 degree flip?

and I already quoted you saying the 5970 is a waste of money on my previous post

You have already stated this and I have sufficiently debunked it already.

You want som1 to move your mouse over it? Let me know that, either your visual skills and memory are lacking or is it something else?

What a lovely condescending personal attack. Post reported.

I only believe in one thing: LOGIC ,thats how life is made.

I literally almost choked to death reading this last bit.

[Alous]

I don't do this often, but I am home sick right now and have a lot of time, and there is something about your poor argumentation techniques, logical fallacies and blatant bias that just bugs me.

Changed my mind about what? My initial post where I said "Looks legit to me" was in response to another member who had posted a comment claiming that they looked fake because the performance of the 5970 was greatly differing from its performance on the same benchmark coming from different sources. I was pointing out that that claim was in fact false and the performance of the 5970 on the graphs in question is accurate to within a fraction of a frame in comparison to the same benchmark from other sources. When I said "Looks legit to me", I was referring to the fact that 5970 performance in the graphs in question is actually accurate when compared to the same benchmark of the 5970 from other sources.
In the response to the quote above this I have explained in detail how I in fact did not say they looked legitimate in the sense that they held truth. Therefore, my statement saying the charts are faked does not contradict my initial statement of "Looks legit to me". Furthermore, claiming the charts "look legitimate" is technically a true statement, as they were taken from previous official slides from Nvidia and photoshopped to look as though they represent Fermi and HD5000 generation cards. Therefore, they do look legitimate, which is an entirely different statement than claiming they are legitimate. In this sense, they still do look legitimate.

What a lovely condescending personal attack. Post reported.

This was so poorly worded it took me a minute to figure out what you were trying to say, but I believe you mean to say Even if the GTX380 matches the performance of the 5970, the 5970 is still the better deal considering it was launched earlier.

If that is what you meant to say then there is much wrong with the statement. First of all, you are taking two variables that have no correlation (release date and performance, of which you lack both for Fermi) and using them to extrapolate a third unrelated variable, value. On top of this logical fallacy, it is also flawed in the sense that you would need to know the MSRP of both products to draw even the most remote assessment of value, and that is a piece of information you do not have.

Now this is an interesting turning of the tables. You are claiming that if the GTX380 is $500 and the 5970 is $600, and if performance of the 5970 is slightly faster than that of the GTX380, that the 5970 would be a good deal.

If I recall correctly, the GTX280 was slightly faster (considerably faster in some circumstances) than the 4870 but cost quite a bit more. Because of that, many people said it was a bad deal and waste of money considering the price/performance of the 4870 was much better. What you appear to be saying is that if the price/performance of the GTX380 is better than that of the 5970, but the 5970 is still faster than the GTX380, then the 5970 is still a better deal even if the GTX380 has the better price/performance ratio. This would be a complete 180 degree flip of the mindset people had in the previous generation with the GTX280 and 4870. What would be your reasoning for this 180 degree flip?

You have already stated this and I have sufficiently debunked it already.

What a lovely condescending personal attack. Post reported.



I literally almost choked to death reading this last bit.

Ok, first you really think that I dont know that already? Internet is freedom. Ohh, your reported, reminds me of kids mind. You know how many accounts and ips can I make? right? Sorry for touching your feelings 003
But I am taking facts from REAL world, lets do this, the 4870 msrp was? and the 280 was?
The 280 was costing DOUBLE the 4870 and Cmon just say the truth and stop turning around.The 280 was even near 650$ here and 2x4870 was considerably faster than the 280 that I had. I hate 1 thing: people saying wrong things to play with peoples mind, it doesn't take language skills to be smart , the smartest people on this planet arent the best at grammar, trust me

From my understanding your stating that Fermi is coming next month? If so , I will be the 1st to sell the 5970 and get a 380 if its 499$ and has near the 5970 perf. I had a 280 before the 5970 btw I only got the 280 because I got it for 250$ in january 09. Any of you guys see a 180def from last generation?

So,according to 003, the GTX380 will cost 299$ and the 5970 599$. Sorry but thats what I understood from your 180degree any1 else seeing something else?

Now please have a cup of tea and lemon and a good sleep no offence. Im just here to clear things off not to make fights.
Cheers

Thank you

[Biker]

...and this is the new improved "cleaned up" news section...

*sigh*

[003]

You claiming that 5970 will be a waste of money when fermi is released is untrue?

Would you kindly quote where I said the 5970 will be a waste of money when the GTX380 is released?

[dengyong]

All these guys arguing need to read the new rules for the news section before you loose access to it.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=226784

[safan80]

Troll fight!

[003]

All these guys arguing need to read the new rules for the news section before you loose access to it.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=226784

Yup. Except I have a sound and logical argument. Other people are twisting my words and trying to say I've made claims that I have not.

[Biker]

All these guys arguing need to read the new rules for the news section before you loose access to it.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=226784

Well said, although unless some of the rubbish posted above is deleted pretty quick I guess it is hammer time already

[Alous]

The charts are most likely faked. Price/performance of the high end GeForce Fermi will be very good. If the 5970 remains priced at what it is currently after Fermi is released, it will be quite a waste of money.

p.11 #272 dont try to edit it please, Looking forward for real benchmarks to pop on big review sites. And of course extreme oc results from XtremeSystems

[003]

And what is it that I said right before the part you emboldened?

[Alous]

Any news about the GTX 395 and release date?

[Serra]

Grow up children. I don't even want to see bans and/or infractions, I want your mothers numbers so I can call them. Thread closed.

... I swear, I don't know why we don't have a bot to automatically close any thread with the word "Fermi" in it...